1914 Buffalo Nickel, could this be an error or PMD?

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  1. LEyestone

    LEyestone New Member

    Hi,
    I have this 1914-P nickel, on the front there's a mark under the Indian's chin that looks like a die clash. On the back there's 2 large marks by the buffalo's head, I thought that maybe it was PMD but it appears to have been stamped after the marks were already there. Maybe it was a damaged planchet? Any info on this would be much appreciated.
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Hello. The 2 large marks on the Buffalos head is what is called a Lamination error.
    Here are the before and after definitions:
    Definition:
    Flakes of metal can peel off the surface off a planchet before the strike. Such planchet defects are generally attributed to the presence of contaminants in the alloy.
    Definition: Flakes of metal can peel off the surface off a coin after the strike. Such defects are generally attributed to the presence of contaminants in the alloy.

    I can't see the area under the chin well enough to determine what it could be.
     
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  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I agree with Paddy on the reverse 100%. The front, if I'm looking at the right place, looks like the extra finger on the 2009 Lincoln Cent so I'd say it was a filled die.
     
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  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Say what? o_O
     
  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Our you guys forgetting about the strike through error on the reverse 23.jpg
     
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  7. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I think I agree with Rick, Paddy, that's no lam, it's struck-through debris.
     
  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    That's what I mentioned that it was a Lamination error
     
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  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    :yuck: Arrrrg! You guys are going against my determination? Oh well you are entitled to your opinion ;)
     
  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Paddy, struck-throughs will sometimes cause rips and tears. Oh, where's Mike Diamond when we need him?
     
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  11. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Here is mine. Also notice the other part of the clash on the EPU on the reverse.

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  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I'm still sticking to Lamination - Here are examples of another Buffalo and older coin
    Definition #3 - Dirt and impurities in the metal of the planchet can manifest themselves as cracks and peels on the struck coin.
    lam5c01.jpg laminations.jpg
     
  13. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I agree with paddyman on the reverse. Looks like a lam to me.
     
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  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Those are very interesting, Paddy. You got me going, now.
     
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  15. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Yes thoses are lam. The OP coin doesn't reach the rim, stay inside the field only. but I'm no expert by far ....
     
  16. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I agree, the reverse looks like a lamination.
     
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  17. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    The planchets are softened up for the violent strike. Am I correct on that? And when there's intervening debris, it can be expected to lift off metal. Does that make sense?
     
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  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The 2nd coin in 2009 with Lincoln sitting on a log. Was that called the Formative Years? Numerous varieties of 6 fingers on the hand holding the book? Between his thumb and index finger. I think they called it a filled die error but I might be mistaken. Too many hours this week to remember these things. That's what the OP's nickel reminds me of. It's about finger size and I can see it under the Indian's head coming off his neck, close to the chin. :yawn:
     
  19. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Different, thats a double die
    Your thinking of the extra leaf on the Wisconsin quarter
     
  20. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That was caused by a mint employee scratching 2 dies because he needed anger management. High and Low. You're right about it being a DD but this nickel reminds me of that finger. I'm heading out to do my antique shop. Have a nice weekend Holiday everyone.
     
  21. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Here a good article by ken potter on the extra leaf
    http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/2004DWiscDieGouges.htm
     
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