1913 type 1 buff

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I don't think the feature in pictue #2 above is a rim ding. It looks more like a wire edge to me, but I'm anything but an expert.

The reverse feature is the one that concerned me, not the obverse.

Respectfully..>Mike

 

you mean 4 on the bottom?

 

IMO, and certainly subject to discussion....

Wire rim:


Rim ding:


The rest of the areas circled in the photographs are non-issues.

Again all IMO and respectfully submitted to those reading and holding differing viewpoints....Mike

 

Whoops, sorry for missing that, and I'm glad to hear we agree.

 

you know, we should have an old lady embroider this and put it into a frame for our "Halls of Wisdom" here at CT.

That is very sound advice.

 

I realize you guys may be kicking me right now(thinking I made a stupid decision), but I did purchase the coin. It is every bit as nice as the pictures display, and the obverse has some gorgeous irridscent toning that is only somewhat evident in the photos. I see no obverse rim nick, but I do see the "gash" that is being referred to. It is interesting, because it is inline with the "finning" on the coin. It may very well bodybag if considered damage, but it honestly doesnt bother me one bit. The coins luster and toning matches the look of my toned type set very nicely.

Anyways, I do think this seller undergrades on some if his coins. Here are some other examples of undergraded gold he has for sale:

Assuming this 3 dollar piece is genuine, it is definitely better than a VF. Still, I would never buy one of these raw.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1855-3-PRINCESS-GOLD-COIN_W0QQitemZ380110270977QQihZ025QQcategoryZ39468QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This $1 gold is certainly better than VF as well.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1862-1-PRINCESS-HEAD-GOLD-COIN_W0QQitemZ400036750535QQihZ027QQcategoryZ149937QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It is nice to see some ebay sellers that are more than fair on there grading.

 

I've seen coins worse than that sold as MS , IT'S A GREAT COIN THAT'S UNDERGRADED AT ExF , GREAT FIND .
rage

 

Nice finds as far as being way undergraded , now the big guestion , why are the selling such a nice coin on Ebay unslabbed . Too many good three dollar gold fakes out there to buy one uncertified , unless he's willing to give you some top notch pics , enlarged ones would be best and a liberal return policy .:whistle:
rzage

 

totally agree. I don't see why he wouldnt send this in for certification. If real, it would get at least an AU details grade, and he would probably get double what he would have gotten otherwise.

 

I'm not kicking you , it's a beautiful coin , IMO .What gets me they grade MS coins by the severity and no. of hits , but weigh them harder where they are most obvious , then they'll Bodybag a coin when the damage is on the side of the rim where you can't even see it . Fine that's just more beautiful coins that I can get cheaper .
rzage:thumb:

 

Thanks rzage. There are problem coins that definitely bother me, but this isn't one of them. It's way out of the center of attention, and it can barely be viewed without magnification. It is odd that this "rim gash" is perfectly alligned with the finning(not really noticible in the photo). It makes me wonder how it got there? Maybe someone went along the finning with a razor blade?

Anyways, this coin has some other interesting features. Several die cracks, and some raised spikes that on the reverse that comes out of the buffalos back in two places and pierces the motto. It is thicker than what I've seen as die cracks. I'm not really sure what it is. It is circled in the picture. My wifes sister is borrowing my coin camera for a few days, but once I get it back, I will take closeups of these areas.

 

interesting, but I'm not sure if that is partly a trick of the camera.

Ruben

 

Since I have the coin in hand, I assure you its not a camera trick. I also have an XF 1913 type 1 to compare with, and its definitely not on that one.

 

Ah - now we have to move this conversation to the errors section and get some close ups.

Ruben

 

I'm no expert but if it looks like part of the design from the opposite side it could be IDT inderect design transfer , it's where after repeated strikes the dies start tp pick up the designs from the opposite side . JMO .
rzage:hatch::hammer: