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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 5035721, member: 24314&quot;]I disagree - totally. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Long ago someone who shall remain unknown was teaching that there was NOTHING WRONG with cleaning a coin.&nbsp; In fact, it often preserved them for future collectors.&nbsp; At the least, it often raised their eye appeal which was not even considered as a component of grading at the time! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>At the first authentication service, an option to clean a submitters coin if needed to authenticate it was even added to the submission form. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>It was very obvious that if I cleaned a coin and no one could tell (except possibly the owner who might like his coin better) IT WAS NOT CLEANED.&nbsp; It was conserved, another term that no one used or considered at the time.&nbsp; Another very obvious conclusion was that if any evidence of &quot;conservation&quot; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> could be detected on a coin, it was IMPROPERLY CLEANED!&nbsp; Unfortunately, a majority of old vintage coins have been improperly cleaned.&nbsp; So...&quot;market acceptable&quot; evolved to dumb down collectors and allow TPGS to please more people.&nbsp; Even the ANA published (reading between the hairlines <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />) that improperly cleaned coins can be graded as high as MS-61! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Therefore, if an improperly cleaned Mint State coin can be straight graded or considered &quot;market acceptable&quot; by the folks who run the commercial coin market, I should think that indicates the coin is much different from one that is &quot;detailed&quot; due to harsh cleaning.&nbsp;&nbsp; Collectors better learn the difference or they can ignore it![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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