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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 5009752, member: 112"]The "definitions thing" raising its head again - everybody has their own definitions.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah, I know that to you Mike harshly cleaned and improperly cleaned are two different things. But to me, and many others, they mean exactly the same thing.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's the issue as I see it. There's a probably a hundred different ways that a coin can be harshly or improperly cleaned. There may even be more than a hundred of them ! But the bottom line is this - any and all of the harsh/improper ways of cleaning do harm to the coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>That said I do understand your thinking. Or at least I think I do. To you harsh cleaning is defined as cleaning method that leaves either fine or course lines/scratches/hairlines on the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Well, I do agree that is what happens in some cases. But it isn't what happens in all cases. For example, if a coin is what we call polished. That coin has been harshly cleaned, but there aren't any visible lines or scratches, or at least not any visible without high magnification. Or, take a coin that has been over-dipped, that coin has been harshly cleaned too. Only difference is the surface has been damaged by over-exposure to acid. But the acid doesn't leave any lines or scratches - but the coin has still been harshly cleaned. </p><p><br /></p><p>Now anybody that wants to can say none of that is harsh cleaning, that's improper cleaning. Well, OK, if that's what they want to call it. But to me there isn't any difference because the coin has been harmed. The coin being harmed at all is the deciding factor, that's the important thing - not the way in which is has been harmed.</p><p><br /></p><p>But hey, whatever floats your boat.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 5009752, member: 112"]The "definitions thing" raising its head again - everybody has their own definitions. Yeah, I know that to you Mike harshly cleaned and improperly cleaned are two different things. But to me, and many others, they mean exactly the same thing. Here's the issue as I see it. There's a probably a hundred different ways that a coin can be harshly or improperly cleaned. There may even be more than a hundred of them ! But the bottom line is this - any and all of the harsh/improper ways of cleaning do harm to the coin. That said I do understand your thinking. Or at least I think I do. To you harsh cleaning is defined as cleaning method that leaves either fine or course lines/scratches/hairlines on the coin. Well, I do agree that is what happens in some cases. But it isn't what happens in all cases. For example, if a coin is what we call polished. That coin has been harshly cleaned, but there aren't any visible lines or scratches, or at least not any visible without high magnification. Or, take a coin that has been over-dipped, that coin has been harshly cleaned too. Only difference is the surface has been damaged by over-exposure to acid. But the acid doesn't leave any lines or scratches - but the coin has still been harshly cleaned. Now anybody that wants to can say none of that is harsh cleaning, that's improper cleaning. Well, OK, if that's what they want to call it. But to me there isn't any difference because the coin has been harmed. The coin being harmed at all is the deciding factor, that's the important thing - not the way in which is has been harmed. But hey, whatever floats your boat.[/QUOTE]
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