1912 D Barber Half Grade Input

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  1. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    Good afternoon folks,
    Below is a 1912 Barber half that has been offered to me for sale. I am interested in any input on the grade. Is have little to no experience grading barbers and the pcgs photograde images haven’t shed any light on things for me. The images are the sellers and the coin would be purchased locally so I would be able to see it in hand before making a final determination. The hairlines to the left of the ribbons on the obverse are concerning as possible evidence of cleaning unless they are die polish lines.
    Thanks in advance!
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    That ding on the reverse above the "T" in STATES is kinda nasty too.
     
  4. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    Indeed it is. Care to propose a grade?
     
  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Nope. Not unless I could see it in hand :)
    I see what look to be scratches on her face also. Not sure if that is circulation wear or from a rough cleaning. Those scratches plus the ones to the left of the ribbon make me think cleaned.
     
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  6. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    I understand. Thanks for the input.
     
  7. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Can you post pics that show the remaining luster, if any?
     
  8. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    These are the only pics I have.
     
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  9. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    If it straight grades - I would be at XF-45.
     
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  10. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Also thought cleaned and XF but maybe 40. The reverse is nicer than the obverse.
    O35/R45.
     
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  11. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    AU details, cleaned
     
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  12. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    it looks like a nice XF.
    But, as for cleaned?
    who knows, can't tell from those pix
     
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  13. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    I'm meeting the seller shortly and will update as I have more information. Thanks so much for all the input thus far.
     
  14. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    Met with the seller and, in hand, the coin was very nice but didn't have much luster and direct light accentuated some additional hairlines so I suspect it had been cleaned. The detail of the bust and eagle were better in person than in the photos.
    Ultimately, I held off on the purchase. Thanks for the input!
     
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  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    I think cleaning can often make an XF coin look like AU,
    but the lack of luster and the hairlines can be a deal breaker.
     
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  17. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    AU details cleaned. Has the lusterless, flat look of a mechanically cleaned and overdipped coin. I would pass—it is an unattractive coin.
     
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  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Cleaned won't grade....pass
     
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  19. Sholom

    Sholom retired...

    How much was he selling it for?
     
  20. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    He was initially asking like $4-500 but ended up being willing to go as low as $200. I told him I wasn’t comfortable with anything above $140 which was about what a XF/as details coin would bring. He said he plans to list it on eBay, so it’ll be interesting to see if that happens what it will bring.
     
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  21. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I think that is high for a details coin. I would not buy it at any price, but if I were interested, I think a maximum is $100. The coin is damaged, and below average eye appeal.
     
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