1909s Found in Estate Sale Cigar Box with 10lbs of copper and other

Hi All,

I bought a Cigar box from an Estate Sale along with another 10lbs of copper and 10 pieces of silver. While searching the box my son found this.

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Cool find!

 

Looks fake to me.

 

I have my suspicions of that one. It looks fake to me.

 

Does anyone know how many dies created the 09'S?
I searched some past auctions and can't find a match to the MM positioning.

 

Positioning looks similar to the PCGS pic here http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/2238

Color is a little hinky, but figure that's just due to the lighting, or whatever.

That 1st feather looks a little off.

Hopefully it's a legit coin.

 

I hope it is a legit coin too...


Coin is 3.08grams i have to measure another time the diameter... No Caliper



Here are a few pics taken with my S9 with other lighting

 

Coin is not legit it's an ali baba special. The large raised line at a little after 12 o'clock on the obverse should be enough by itself to tell you that.

Only a single obverse die for the 1909 S, not sure how many reverse dies.
'Mint State 1909-S cents reveal weak feathertips, which evidently was due to a deficiency in the single obverse die used for this issue.'

And a die that lacked a large die gouge or scratch in the position of OP's fake.

https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/503/

 

I was concerned about the coins color, but you point to The horizontal line above the second and third feather of headdress? I have seen others in graded coins with similar horizontal lines in the 1909-s above the second feather of the headdress including the coin used by pcgs on their page about the coin(s)... But i will make an appointment with a dealer to verify it being fake.

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/2238 while the horizontal line is similar in size it is not in the same position... Possibly dirt or lint?

I think its highly possible if not 100% fake but for other reasons. It weighs 3.08g and i did measure it at 19mm. Color is not right... Does not even come close to other IHP's i have.

 

Nice find. I also hope it is a legit.

 

100% fake, there is a specific set of details on these coins that is a dead give away. Who ever is making these, assuming they are trying to pass them as real, does not understand the original die sinking process and consistently makes the same mistake. I don't want to bring it up in a public forum, but no doubt this is fake.

 

Looks off to me too, especially the rim on the obverse...

 

I agree.... There is much about this coin that seems off. However for me what really stands out is the color of the coin. No matter what i use to take photos of the coin. The Lighting so forth i cannot capture the true color. The only way to describe the color is to say this... Go down to Home Depot and buy a couple brand new copper fittings. An elbow or copper strap. I guarantee you that this coin is as red as those new copper elbows.

 

I was looking at that, as well.