1909 VDB Lincoln Wheat Cent Study Set

It is your fault! and there can't be any forgiveness until there is penance in the form of selling me those 67RB's j/k sort of. I'd like to think it was good karma meeting you first during my initial first search for PCGS VDB's

That is such nice coin, I don't think there is one better. Personally I like it more than the 67+ you have, then again I haven't seen it under my lens. Did you finally sell it?

BTW - I just got this in from DLRC - a 67RD that is the color invert to yours, a few more tics and dings but very nice in hand. I should reshoot with diffused lighting to match up to the TRU_VIEW image?

Oh wow LD! I have some blue hued ones but nothing like that! Any idea what the uhhh primary air borne chemical contaminate creates the blue? That one looks like the obverse was exposed like in an album. Nice!

MAS - I'm lost. Whats the significance of these shots?

Instead spending your next $500 on coins buy a used Canon 100mm Macro lens and Canon EOS Camera body - make sure to get the EOS utilities that allows you to view the coin on your computer before releasing the shutter. You can tweak all your adjustments in real time and shortens the learning curve of DSLR down to nothing. IMO of course.

Do you have broadband? The images should cache unless you have your browser set to dump each time you close. I can post just thumbnails, which will link to Photobucket however I really like when they are all the same size since I scroll back and forth a lot.

Image sizing really seems to be an issue on this message board. There apparently is some code missing that should resize images to a users browser/screen resolution with Internet Explorer. I am running Chrome and I know FireFox works. I keep saying I am going to create a poll and find out how others are experiencing images I post. I firmly believe that these type/size of images are going to become the norm on MB's as time goes on.

 

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The one I posted is in an old ANACS holder. MS-66 DDO.
The one mas4492 posted is a matte proof. Wow, cool coin and the only matte proof I still need.
The images you are posting are fine as far as size. It's the file size that is really large. 5 meg is about 10 times larger than any I see on any forum. You can show the same quality of image with a much smaller file size. Mine are saved on my drive at 3 to 5 meg. When I upload them to the bucket it reduces them to 50000 to 75000 kb. I have to say, you post some great images.

 

"MAS - I'm lost. Whats the significance of these shots?"

Just a die marker confirming the reverse die used.
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I dunno. It seems that coin collecting is so far behind with technical advances. I was talking to 4k FB eBay seller the other day who uses a Sony Mavica, selling 1K coins from 256k files from a floppy disc! I mean, come on, consumer grade cameras are at 20MP which is converts to around 10MB depending on the subject of course. I really don't think the intention is to reduce those images to 1% of the original size... Don't even get me started with gas chromatography or laser identification.. lol

I have been playing with dynamic range stitching shots together and tinkering with a random orbital tilting turntable for coins in under my HD Cam but this board doesn't allow embed codes for video (of course why would they?) - why? because there aren't virtual coins to be seen.... which..... is beyond me...... "coin in hand" is over rated, my eyes don't see chit. IMO of course! lol MAS's MPL would pay for a 1/2 dozen virtual set ups. lol... anyways...

My photobucket account uploads the file without compressing/changing and hosts the image at what looks like 90% of the original. I can save from Gimp when I crop to a 85% jpg compression with reduces a 5MB file to about 1.5MB - my camera bit depth is 24 at 96dpi - so yeah I can reduce the file size....... BUT!

when I clicked on that BLUE MEANIE of yours there is no way I would have picked up that it was a DDO-2 you need this kind of resolution in order to see the die chips and scratch under Abes chin.

I can do these, but I think they are more of nuisance.


ah yep type 2!

 

I posted my best MS67RD earlier, but here are a few of my best red-brown examples:

PCGS MS67RB


PCGS MS67RB


PCGS MS66RB


PCGS MS66RB


NGC MS64RB

The 67+ was a really pretty coin, but I like my regular MS67RD alot too so I ended up selling the 67+ as I didn't think it was 3x better than my MS67RD but it was valued around 3x higher... I believe the current owner will be listing it for sale again soon, so you may see it again!

 

Okay....... now I am not only lost, I am confused, might as well add dazed to it. you have VDB MPL that used a Business strike reverse? Most of the reverses I have, have that scratch in the center of the C in CENT. Which is even more confusing, certainly more than one die was used.

(BTW) nother nice advantage of large files and editing skillz...

 

You might enjoy this close up shot of my best DDO-2 lit in a direction to actually see some doubling.

 

I am adding this link to this thread so that I can find it later. This apparently is the VBulletin Message Board solution for those whose browsers do not auto size images.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=157428

 

I am also "charmed" by the Lincoln cent design and grading aspects. I find the NGC and PCGS Registry to be really helpful when I want to see specific grades and photos of coins graded by these companies. Also Heritage has oodles of pictures in its auction archives and their pictures are quite decent for getting a feel for what is out there. Don't forget Teletrade has tons of Lincolns each week with photos and grades. I scour those resources before I go out and buy up a bunch of coins. Mostly, with CoinTalk, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that really digs the Lincoln cent.

 

I find it most interesting that I can pick out my ex coin from the picture of just one letter on the coin.

 

I don't want to use the word deceptive with Heritage but honestly on two recent 67RD purchases, I was totally fooled by what arrived compared to what (I thought) I was bidding on based on their images. The other Auction Houses are worse. Teletrade lights the coins from the bottom, who does that? I could go on, but I won't. I'll just show examples.

Resized equally for fair comparison

I thought this was a solid coin, Heritage Images:


My Images:


Then I thought this one was pretty bad for the grade label, I put the opening bid in on it and no one else bid, Heritage Images:


And this is what arrived! My Images:

Ha! that coin is unmistakable. I really messed up pulling the trigger on those, I think the most dramatic ones got away from me. It is one of the most unique I have. I know to buy the coin, not the label however I would have gotten more if they were in PCGS slabs. This is a coin that is just wild under the lens compared to in hand, as I am sure you can attest.

 

My eyes don't deserve to see that beauty!

 

For some more information on the "Reverse C Hairline Diagnostic" I suggest reading this thread over on Collectors Universe:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=30&threadid=677828

In summary, the diagnostic isn't found on the 1909 and 1909VDB matte proofs (but is found on many 1909 business strike coins). The diagnostic is present on the 1910-1916 matte proofs, however.

Contrary to some other posts, I do not believe the 1909 VDB previously posted by mas is a proof.

 

Thanks for correcting me. I have been thinking wrong about this for some time.
Sorry folks. I should have checked before posting.

 

My generic VDB shot with a generic camera and loaded in a generic way.

Great thread, tho. By Fall I hope to do better.

 

whew!!!!! No worries, but..... Guys! I need a couple hours back of my investigative time. lol!

Actually not.. because that little exercise pushed me into looking closely at some more MPL die diagnostics. One thing that has been mentioned/thought about/posted is what happened to the inevitable MPL rejects, MPL dies after they were used? I frequently find MPL die diagnostics on what should be Business strikes. (another reason for posting hi res images) anyways....


How many of you have the LINCOLN CENT MATTE PROOFS book? This is the definitive MPL resource. I want to be polite and politically correct, so my upcoming related posts will be of the material not the people. (i have learned that everyone is connected and actually a small world and gets overyly sensitive) - Apparently, I can't express my opinion of my dislikes of a picture of a particular coin with out it being construed to the person who took it. Whereby I get told I need to learn to write. lol

If you do not like the way I write or if you are sensitive and get hurt feelings, then please put me on ignore/don't read, whatever. I am going to call things like I see them (backing it up with evidence) and ask to be proven wrong. I am not politically correct, nor will I ever be. I do not spend my time of thinking about the "right" things to say. I will do my best to talk about the info, the coin, the picture..... in no way should my posts be construed to any negativity about the person who created that info. Many might be your friends

Coin Talk Code of Honor

1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.
2. Keep it clean, like a 1950s family television show.
3. If you don't like the coin, don't trash the person.

I will start a new thread about this subject.

 

Thank you for the link. I am only through page 2 and had to come back and comment that Duane's patience and style of posting compared to mine is why I keep getting banned from there. lol

PS. you might send him the link to the post with all the C's - he should enjoy it, albeit 2 1/2 years later.

I want to add that when image Lincoln cents I keep the file sizes cropped to 2525x2525 - this allows me to cut specific sections from coins very quickly... the point is that 2 pages in and there are no images in that thread? jeez one VDB mpl would buy 10 camera set-ups like I have.. I don't get it. oh well.

 

THIS IS BS!!

Graders are looking at coins through loupes and not doing hi res comparisons (like the MS VDB "C" photo comparison I posted), so we are supposed to take their "pie in the sky" guess of a coiners intent.....? their opinions when physical characteristics say different? Nice... This is exactly like the AT vs NT debate of intent to tone. lol

 

EyeEat, not sure what the differences are outside of color. Am I simply being daft here?

And here is my single VDB:

 

Why do you ask if you are being daft? That looks like a really nice solid example. if the bluish coloring is accurate, I like it even more! tough to see detail but it looks all of AU to me.