1909 VDB Lincoln Did I mess up?

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  1. Brandi Wilson

    Brandi Wilson ... a kid at heart

    I just bought this online. Did I mess up? Screenshot_20200310-230047.png Screenshot_20200310-230055.png
    If I did I'll be ok just a lesson learned but I need to know for my own good.
     
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  3. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Possibly. Great Southern has quite a reputation around here for, let's say, casting their coins in the best POSSIBLE light in their photos. You won't be able to tell until it arrives, though.
     
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  4. Brandi Wilson

    Brandi Wilson ... a kid at heart

    Oh no... I figured I messed up after I bought it but I have a shopping problem. How much is it worth if it is in good shape? Maybe I'll get lucky.
     
  5. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    Red book shows $30 in MS 63
    They show a Matte proof in same MS 63 $5500 .
    That would be the difference in the two.
    400 - 600 estimated issued. I don't think you have
    the matte though, and there are a few flaws. The
    wheat stalk on right shows wear. The lettering
    has some things going on too. Best of luck though.
    Maybe the heavy hitters will have better news for ya.
    I'm going F 12 $17
     
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  6. Brandi Wilson

    Brandi Wilson ... a kid at heart

    Ok thanks Well I paid $38 for it I didn't lose a whole lot of money thank goodness.
     
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  7. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    F12? No offense, but you need to either practice grading wheat cents or get your eyes checked. Here are the pictures in Photograde for F12. Look at those and tell me the OP coin has that much wear:

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  8. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    None taken. If you are saying it grades better than that
    I would say at best VF 20. Look at the VDB Barely visible.
    One step above that is EF 40, but all details must be sharp.
    I don't see sharp. I see damage on reverse motto. That is
    why I went with F 12.
     
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  9. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    That coin is mint state red. It is impossible to say what grade exactly with those ridiculously overexposed photographs but MS62-63 RD would seem in the right ballpark.
     
  10. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    Hey that's great news for me I guess. I have over 3500
    wheats that are maybe I or 2 grades below OP's. I better get to selling them. Thnx much
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    They charged you for a coin in the low MS range.
    It doesn't look like you did too bad. how about some photos when you get it.
     
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  12. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    I think you have a beautiful 1909 VDB Brandi. I have two and yours just put mine to shame....martha
     
  13. Brandi Wilson

    Brandi Wilson ... a kid at heart

    Oh yeah of course! And I'm ordering a camera soon so I should be able to take better pictures than I have been taking with the camera on my phone. The LG stylo 5 is not known for its camera capabilities :hilarious: but TMI my bill is only $30 a month.
     
  14. Brandi Wilson

    Brandi Wilson ... a kid at heart

    I just needed it as an example for my album. I'm trying to put together a really nice album for myself. I don't know how to grade yet but I'm just picking out pennies that look really nice to me. I'm thinking about taking classes to learn these types of things. What do you guys think about that? Should I do it? Screenshot_20200310-205215.png
     
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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    That's one sharp-looking cent, Martha. The pictures can be sharper. That could be MS, though, every bit of it.
    Why don't you keep them? You know, like collectors do.
     
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  16. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    Well like I said. 3500 hundred pennies lying around is a bit much .There are dozens in most years. I guess I should get
    busy and cherry pick the best and sell off the rest for like
    3 -5 cents a piece. Way too many too keep !
    BTW that was not an offer to sell .
     
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  17. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    If there is damage on the reverse motto,
    and wear in the hair,
    plus wear on both wheat stalks,
    and wear on the VDB can this still be considered
    mint state ? I am wondering because I need to
    know about that when I grade my wheats. Mine
    may be in better shape than I thought. Maybe
    I am being to critical.....thnx martha
     
  18. Brandi Wilson

    Brandi Wilson ... a kid at heart

    What's that? Is it a die crack? Screenshot_20200311-020628~2.png
     
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  19. Brandi Wilson

    Brandi Wilson ... a kid at heart

    Well at least Screenshot_20200311-072557~2.png I got 30 days to return it if I don't like it for some reason.
     
  20. Nick Zynko

    Nick Zynko ZmanFla

    Hi Martha, Please be advised that all circulation strike coin features become softer as the minting process wears the die's features and/or also the continued die polishing during the run turns sharp sharp features into weak features. Hence why the TPG companies are labeling First strike coins in slabs-they bring a premium vs late die states with softer strikes.

    The VDB and U in United States are a little softly struck. Once minted this penny was ejected into a hopper full of other freshly minted pennies taking on its first small scars on the rim, obv and rev. Then her brand new penny at the time, was bagged (poured into a bag) and thrown onto a pallet, then put on a truck and transported a long distance. That process adding a lot more small but very significant scars known as bag marks.

    When grading any circulation strike Lincoln Penny, the coin's color (Red,Brown or Mixed) its Strike (Sharp or slightly soft) plus the amount of bag marks are the difference between a MS60 and MS70 perfect penny. There isn't any significant wear on her 110 year old coin that I can detect. A very nice MS 63 1909 VDB IMHO. I have done business with GSC for years and they tend to flood their coin pictures with light making it very hard to judge in some cases. She didn't get flogged on the purchase and if she likes the coin and not trying to resell at a profit, then that is all that matters. You are well on your way to becoming a hawk eyed grader, keep it up. I want to invite you to negotiate all my coin purchases from now on! :)
     
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  21. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    My opinion, I wouldn’t waste money on that course. It may be a great course, I don’t know, never taken it.

    If you keep reading and collecting and hanging around here, you will get all of the education you need.

    No need to go from 0-60. Time and experience is the best teacher.
     
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