1909 VDB issues in dies or doubling? both sides

did the second pic of the VDB help any? I'm still trying to master this microscope thing

 

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Hmmm , didn't someone mention double struck already

 

yes, but just giving everyone more views of the extreme case this is and more cool views.. its such a high quality coin and with all that's going on with it, I figured why not

 

I believe everyone is seeing this as a double strike/MD type situation with extreme

 

Double Struck and MD'ing are not the same thing though they can happen on the same coin. SDave knows much more than I but I feel this coin is double struck in collar.
A MD 1909 VDB is a curiosity.
If it is double struck it would be much more.

 

I have read all my books and that's my quandary.. they are so similar but yet different.
which leads to a value difference..

what do you make of the thin rim inside the really sharp flat rim?
also not sure you can make it out.. but the ones I threw up last night seem to show doubling of a crescent on reverse.

 

Although I buy rolls on ebay, I'm not sure to go about posting something like this to get a feel for what it may bring or even just for the input and interest

 

As far as the rim is concerned, I have no experience in that area to advise you

 

hypothetically lets say it is a double strike, have a clue what it my go for to a hardcore collector?

 

Let others chime in to confirm or rebut what I feel it is

 

OK, agreed.
thanks for your input by the way.

 

just checking in, and trying to keep this thread up top... hoping for as much input as possible.
Anyone had a chance to view the new pictures ?

 

see if this is more clear

 

Yes I see it, sort of... My curiosity lies in weather that's just an optical illusion or staining that looks like letters OR if it's a dropped letter block. Much better, clear and crisp pics are needed. Are you using a USB microscope or maybe your light source needs to be diffused? Do you have a 10x loupe and good cell phone camera?

 

USB micro,
I ave a few more pics ill show you.. it appears to me to have a VDB to left of more visible VDB relief

 

does this look like a crescent to you? a little questionable, but with all that's going on with this coin it would make since for it to be a little goofy looking

 

Sorry but these pics are not good enough to tell what's going on with any confidence. That "shadow" vdb is interesting though. I clearly see what looks like a second vdb that's shifted way too left of the original to be md or the like. Is it just an illusion though? Or could it be a dropped letter block? Better, actual camera macro pics are needed. Maybe @mikediamond is around but please try to get crystal clear, non USB pics of the vdb area with a camera and 10x loupe if you can.

I see something above the wheat ear but again who knows. The lighting and USB is obscuring and bleaching out the fine details needed to asses these areas

 

Ill see what I can do with the camera this afternoon.. yep, I have figured out the dang light on the USB scope tends to cause its own issues