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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;CamaroDMD, post: 2915539, member: 5233&quot;]A recent post about a fake 1909-S VDB cent sparked several questions for me and I was hoping someone here might be able to answer them.&nbsp; The thread in question concerned an added mint mark to a genuine 1909 VDB cent and the incorrect placement on the mint mark was the most obvious giveaway that it was a fake. </p><p><br /></p><p>It is well know that there were 4 obverse dies used to create the 1909-S VDB cents.&nbsp; Each die had the mint mark punched in by hand resulting in a slightly different location…and thus slightly different locations for the mint marks on authentic coins.&nbsp; This serves as a common diagnostic for the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>My question is this…did they use the same 4 obverse dies for the non-VDB cents?&nbsp; As far as I know, there was no obverse changes made to the coin and I can’t imagine that all 4 dies would be worn out with a production of 484,000 coins.&nbsp; If they did use the same dies for the 1.825 million 1909-S cents…did they use more than just these 4 obverse dies (meaning with the increased production…did they need more dies)?&nbsp; If they did, obviously the same mint mark diagnostics would apply to a non-VDB 1909-S cent.&nbsp; If more dies were used, has anyone cataloged the mint mark locations for the non-VDB 1909-S cents?</p><p><br /></p><p>If they same dies were used…is striking 484,000 coins prior to the design change enough to affect the dies significantly?&nbsp; The reason I ask is I wonder if there were any PL 1909-S cents struck since the dies had already been broken in.&nbsp; I would assume the early 1909-S VDB cents had beautiful surfaces because the dies were so fresh.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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