1909-S VDB grade?

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  1. vent1020

    vent1020 Junior Member

    I am still learning the ins and outs of QC coins. Can you tell me if you guys think this would grade details QC or if it seems okay. What grade? As always, thanks for any help.
     

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  3. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    I don't know if that coin is real or fake. It's one of the most counterfeited coins in the world. A 1909-S VDB in that condition, would already be in a graded slab. If it's real, maybe it already came back questionable color and that's why it's not in a slab.
    If they felt the toning was unnatural it would come back questionable color.
    Why would anyone risk a 1909-S VDB by doctoring it with artificial toning?
    That's blasphemy.
     
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  4. vent1020

    vent1020 Junior Member

    Well, the reason for the close ups is to show the "S" is in the correct position and serifs are parallel. The VDB also is correct with the diagonal crossbar in the "B" These are the areas counterfeiters usually mess up on. There is no doubt in my mind it is NOT counterfeited. I'm just worried about the color. That is my weak area. I'm sure there are rare coins like this out there that have not been sent in to a TPG. Even with the QC, I might purchase this coin as it is really nice.
     
  5. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I have no problems with the gross diagnostics; on the small screen I'm viewing with, MM position is correct for #4 and VDB configuration passes. We'll stipulate for the moment it's genuine but I'm not calling it firm from a 5" screen. :)

    I don't believe the color to be original. It's possible on a Lincoln, especially a high-resolution Mint State specimen, but I'm not 100% sure it's Mint State. Reverse has the nice progression of an album toned coin but the obverse does not and the colors are a bit too saturated for my expectation. Going with my gut (mostly), I feel it looks like it toned too fast after a chemical cleaning.

    If it were available at AU Details (or maybe even Uncirculated Details) money, I would knock you down to get to it before you. It would not surprise me (although I'd disagree) to see it in a straight-graded MS 63 slab. I have it at high AU Details, Questionable Color, and just about as nice as a coin with that designation can get. It's an "I don't care if the color's fake" kind of coin. :)
     
  6. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    @Jdiablo30 with your beautiful toners, you might have a good idea on this one.
     
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  7. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Why do people say things like this? This drives me nuts! It's not true!
     
  8. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    True. I think people are too used to coins only at coin shows. Some of us bought coins before the slabbing craze and are simply hoarders. I have a lot of high grade US coins not in slabs, including quite a few BU coins from the 19th century.

    Not all great coins are slabbed, even today.
     
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  9. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Amen! Yes, the same coins do circulate around the "show circuit" and I totally get that, but people who believe that there aren't TONS more slab-worthy coins that have never been near the Florida Gulf coast or Sunny California are kidding themselves, if not outright delusional. You need to get into backwoods country in the east coast states, my friends. VERY long held collections, many of which haven't been outside family hands since before TPGs were invented. Many are held by "important" old-money families, and others by common farmer families.

    EDITED: POLITICAL
     
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  10. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Why do people say things like this?
    Um, so you don't buy a key date counterfeit.
    In all of my thousands of coins, zero are slabbed.
     
  11. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    There's a difference between suggesting people buy slabbed coins to not get cheated/fooled and suggesting that rare coins are always slabbed. That's what they're getting at.
     
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  12. Jdiablo30

    Jdiablo30 Well-Known Member

    IMO AU details-cleaned. The color came from from an album after it was in there for a long time after the cleaning.
     
  13. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Three posts have been removed or edited. Infractions given to all for political comments. The " he started it" doesn't work, report it or else the backlash can get you also.
     
  14. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Please allow me :angelic: to offer some advice. IMO, anyone who does not know that the OP's coin is a genuine 1909-S VDB from the five-inch images and the blown-up "S" mintmark should only purchase key date coins in TPGS slabs.

    As for political statements, I don't know what's been edited but I'll bet the words ILLEGAL, LAW BREAKING, CRIMINAL, or something to that effect was in the comment. If we go back far enough, probably 98.9% of us had immigrant ancestors. We're very lucky we did. I did! :happy:

    I agree with the Mods, let's stick to coins but I do enjoy reading the political opinions of others when we do it nicely.
     
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  15. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Actually, there was ZERO political content in my post. None.
     
  16. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I didn't see your post, but I recommend you don't argue with a moderator, they'll start calling you names and try to embarrass you...
     
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  17. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    :rolleyes: I guess that's not why it has disappeared from the thread. Perhaps a personal attack? Trust me they are lots of fun :troll: but they tend to have grave consequences. :( I got a long and hurtful vacation last year.
     
  18. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I was expecting you to show up to share your insight.... always a pleasure. :)

    Oh, and as for the immigrant thing, while technically 100%, let's be fair and give those who were settlers the credit they deserve.
     
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  19. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Thank you. :happy:

    I confess to self-editing :muted: the last few sentences in my original comment :jawdrop:so as not to cross a line by pointing out what should be the :rolleyes:obvious differences. :D
     
  20. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    For everyone's info, whatever you post is your responsibility. That includes any quotes that are in the message composing area when you press post. If such quotes violated the rules, thus your message will also with similar consequences. You have to make an action to include a quote, so you are responsible for its content. Political, language, religion, world events, etc. Jim
     
  21. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    I understand now, thank you.
     
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