1909-S Indian Pick up Cleaned?

I bought this coin assuming it was cleaned. Unless someone can tell me otherwise. Being what it is, is it still work sending in to TPG to come back as Authentic Details?

Thanks all!

 

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Photo?

 

I would send this one in for grading. It's worth the fees.

 

That's what I'm leaning torwards. I bought it right and we have a PCGS members events where I can just drop it off.

 

I would assume it is cleaned and may go detail due to that and the scratch on the back under 'Cent', but worth the grading. There is a small dot of what appears to be verdigris under the mm, that could continue after the slabbing. Jim

 

It looks authentic to me. I'd definitely have it authenticated and graded. This coin could be worth doing so.

 

Very nice cent!
How deep is the scratch?

 

That's not a scratch. It passes underneath the T

 

Mike, I thought that at first, but when I clicked on the photo to enlarge, there seemed to be a thin line going over the surface of the 'T' starting from the highlight on the right side of the T. If not, I stand corrected. Jim

 

I don't see the scratch on the T, but it's a photo, and really tough to say definatively, I guess. Especially on this tiny monitor I have at work.

 

The scratch starts from the right, Looks like it nicked the t and then jumped to the field.
What does @ocjoe949 say?

 

Do you see the way that the line almost follows the bottom of the N?

That's what leads me to think die crack.

 

I see what you are saying, looks like it might continue through the wreath.

 

ocjoe949, posted: "I bought this coin assuming it was cleaned."

Curious, what would make you think that?

BTW, the coin is scratched. There is no 1909-S Indian in existence with a die break in that location.

Additionally, what color is the mark? What happens when you scratch a brown copper surface?

 

Scratch definitely there. Like I said, not worried about details grade too much. I just think it deserves to be in a slab just because of what it is.

 

That's not necessarily a good criterion for slabbing.

Generally, I have learned that if the value of a coin is higher when graded than it is raw by more than the amount of the cost of grading (authentication) it is worth doing.

 

I also see a bit of a rim bump??? ..maybe filed??? at 12:30, probably minor, anyway color and appearance look quite nice to me. Grade it if you want it in a slab, OK raw too IMHO.

 

at least none known at this time

 

If it is scratched, it won't straight grade. Chances are that the price in a details slab will not justify the cost of grading.

 

Yeah, none seen in almost ninety years since collecting started to get serious and still none seen in the last forty years when this date and mint was heavily studied BY DIE STATE! back at you.