1901 O Morgan

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  1. Kevin1302

    Kevin1302 Member

    image.jpeg image.jpeg What would you grade/ value this coin at? It was found while remodeling a home
     
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  3. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    A nice find there. An 01-O VF-20 worth somewhere between $20-25.
     
  4. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Oh my. That coin could be worth a bit more than that, but only if it's fake.

    It looks a lot like VAM 67, which is a contemporary counterfeit.
     
  5. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I know nothing of VAMs. What are the markers?
     
  6. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Ask and you shall receive.

    http://www.vamworld.com/1901-O VAM-67

    Opening text: (Pictures you can view inside link)

    1901-O VAM-67

    Discovery by Brian Raines, 2013

    67(privately made) (Slanted Date, Medium O Mint Mark) (181) I- R-7
    Obverse - Slanted date with right 1 higher than left 1 and date at right edge of the normal lateral position. Slightly rounded edges where field meets design. no die cracks or polishing lines in LIBERTY or cotton boll stems. Die defects-Die chip at I in PLUIBUS and lines at 5&6 left stars.
    Reverse - Normal medium III O mint mark with C4 reverse design type. Slightly rounded edges where fields meets design. no die cracks or polishing lines on eagle. Die defects-Heavy curved raised lines in field below eagle's right wing. Collar diameter varied from 1.491-1.497", same as 1900o VAMC22v2 and 1901o VAM 61 counterfeits.
     
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  7. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    There are other slanted-date 1901-O's, so the secondary pickups are important.
     
  8. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Yes, of course. Three things that hit me right away when I saw this that made me think possible counterfeit were (1) the date position, (2) the C4 reverse, and (3) the fact that it's low grade. It needs a closer inspection than can be given with the initial photos.

    If it is counterfeit, then the back story of finding it during a renovation becomes more interesting. As the origin of these is still a bit of a mystery, knowing where it was found and the possibility of ascertaining when it was put there could both be valuable clues.
     
  9. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Nice. Nothing more fun than chasing a good numismatic story. :)
     
  10. Kevin1302

    Kevin1302 Member

    image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg Here are some better images hopefully this helps to determine if this coin is real or not
     
  11. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I'm kind of torn between VAM 11, VAM 35 (both real, worth $20) and VAM 67 (contemporary counterfeit, worth much more). It comes down to the position of the mint mark and appearance of fine details and transitions from design to field. Both hard to tell from the pictures.

    Mind you, if this were a counterfeit and you were to send it in to a grading service, they'd probably miss it. Many of these contemporary counterfeits have been found in good holders, as they're hard to spot on heavily circulated coins.
     
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