1895 P Barber Dime Fake?

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  1. Homestead667

    Homestead667 New Member

    6283728E-7E71-447C-96F9-654B1FBDE8AE.jpeg Hi everyone, this is my first post here and I have some questions concerning a 1895 p dime that I recently purchased from a coin collector at an estate sale.
    I guess my questions are.
    Is this potentially a fake? It’s in extremely good condition, and I have never found a barber dime personally in this good of condition... so I’m skeptical but have hi hopes.
    This coin weight 2.5grams, is 17.9mm wide and 1.35 mm thick.
    The photos had to be taken with my phone from my laptop screen, which I can’t get to log online ... so this was my only option to get pics. The lines are from my computer screen.
    Also, there appears to be a strike through on the neck marked with arrow and some de- lamination??? on the head marked with arrows. Otherwise it’s beautiful... there are many die file lines in the fields. The edge reeding looks beautiful. Any thoughts or opinions are greatly appreciated... also... would this coin be worth sending to a 3rd party grader with the de-lamination issue.
     

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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    First, welcome to the neighborhood!

    Super close-up images only help when we can see images of the entire coin to put them in the proper perspective.
     
  4. Homestead667

    Homestead667 New Member

    Hi and thank you... I posted a full pic of obverse and reverse also... are they too close?
     
  5. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Welcome aboard , I must agree . Pic of both sides whole . ;)
     
  6. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Where did they go ? :rolleyes:
     
  7. Homestead667

    Homestead667 New Member

    I loaded 7 pics... front back and 5 closeups ... will try to load a few more when I can if they can’t be see for some reason.
     
  8. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated Supporter

    Welcome to the site. The 1895-P is a semi key date and would fetch a few hundred dollars in mint state, so there's incentive to fake it. It's hard to say from your pics but the upper lip, the eyelid, denticles, LIBERTY ribbon, and ear of corn have my interest. I've posted an image of a graded MS-67 coin here. Compare it to your coin.
    PCGS_MS_67_BARBER_10C.jpg
     
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  9. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    It might be fake i would compare this with the 1916 D mercury dime there was only around 250,000 made but the amount of fakes outnumber the real ones 10 to 1
     
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  10. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

  11. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    A few hundred dollars in mint state? Ngc has it priced at hundreds of dollars in circulated grades and ms examples are like buying a new car.
     
  12. Homestead667

    Homestead667 New Member

    My thoughts... that’s why I’m skeptical ... but I’m not a barber specialist... I guess with the rarity of the coin it would be worth faking made of silver to get the proper dimensions and weight.
     
  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm thinking it's fake.
     
  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Nope. The whole obverse has the look of a modern fake, especially the cartoonish hair and the "toning" pattern. The date looks all wrong, too.

    It could be that I just can't see past the photo-of-a-photo images, but I don't think so. If it's the right weight, see whether it's a little bit thicker than a Mercury or Roosevelt dime in similar condition. Often fakes are silver-plated copper, which needs to be around 10% thicker to get the right weight.

    Edit: by the way, welcome to CoinTalk! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news (or at least opinion) on your first post... :(
     
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  15. Homestead667

    Homestead667 New Member

    It’s absolutely a fake, when I look at the photos sent to me and comparison the hair over the ears and the hair on the neck... plus other features mentioned in this forum.. thanks for all of you guys input! I paid $35 for it... education isn’t always cheap... but now I have a nice fake coin and a great education!
     
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  16. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    100% fake, no doubt whatsoever. No need for more pics. It has Obverse 2 and Reverse 3, neither of which existed before 1901.
     
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  17. Homestead667

    Homestead667 New Member

    Thank you, the photos confirmed it’s a fake...
     
  18. Homestead667

    Homestead667 New Member

    Thank you for your input, education is always an experience.
     
  19. Matthew Kruse

    Matthew Kruse Young Numismatist

    Sorry to hear that man. Its good to learn though so you don't make mistakes in the future. You think the guy who sold it to you knew it was a fake or no?
     
  20. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Usually the pre-1901 counterfeits have the wrong design types, so a quick primer:

    Obverse 1 (1892-1900) versus Obverse 2 (1901-1916), the easiest marker is the strong rib of cartilage in the ear for Obv 2.
    1900-P_1901-P_HA_PCGS_PR_highlight.jpg
    Reverse 1 (1892-1899) versus Reverse 2 (1900-1901 with 1902-1905 anomalies at SF), the easiest marker is the left leaf vein.
    1899_ha_PR67_vs_1900_ha_PR66_highlight.JPG
    Right ribbon Rev 1 and Rev 2 "thin" versus "thick" for Reverse 3 (1901-1916).
    1899-P_vs_1900-P_vs_1901-P_2A_highlight.JPG
    Your coin obviously has the inner ear and thick ribbon of 1901+.
     

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  21. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

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