1893 Indian Head Cent - What Sort of Doubling Is This?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by iPen, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:58 PM.

  1. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    This Indian Head Cent looks to have some strange looking chiseled doubling, but I'm not sure that it's PMD, although it very well may be. Is it a strange version of die deterioration doubling? It's as if the coin became stuck between the dies during its strike, and vibrated multiple times before eventually getting spit out. Thoughts?

    Thanks in advance!

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  3. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof Supporter

    I'm going with ball point pen doubling; as in someone traced around the devices with a ball point pen.
     
  4. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster It seemed like a good idea at the time.

    Whizzed? Need a better close up
     
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  5. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    To me it looks like significant die deterioration. Assuming it's a problem free coin.
     
  6. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    It looks like it didn't seat in the coining chamber correctly. It may have received a light initial punch when it was not properly seated. Then when the coin seated the dies made a complete punch. Basically it was punched twice.
     
  7. kanga

    kanga 60 Year Collector Supporter

    I'd be surprised if it's a real IHC.
     
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  8. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 Senior Member

    Assuming it is genuine (which I'm not sure of), that is the sort of look I've seen on coins that were acid washed. The acid eats away at the surfaces, and leaves a shadowy look.

    I don't believe it is something which occurred through normal minting processes.
     
  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Doubled Die.. Not Double!!!! Supporter

  10. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Doubled Die.. Not Double!!!! Supporter

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  11. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 Senior Member

    Glitch in the matrix, there, paddy? Not sure why you tagged everyone who posted..... ?
     
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  12. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof Supporter

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  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Doubled Die.. Not Double!!!! Supporter

    Because I believe this is what it is.. I just can't believe you guys don't know this
     
  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 Senior Member

    Nope, not on this piece. First, Longacre doubling usually uniform around each letter (the leading theory is that the letter punch was driven into the die too hard, and the "doubling" is from the shoulder of the punch). You see that on this coin, it is random.

    So no, definitely not Longacre doubling.
     
  15. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 Senior Member

    I'm very familiar with it. I just strongly disagree.
     
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  16. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Doubled Die.. Not Double!!!! Supporter

    :dead:
     
  17. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 Senior Member

    What do you consider to be Longacre doubling? Here is an article about it: http://www.error-ref.com/longacre-s-doubling/
     
  18. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Doubled Die.. Not Double!!!! Supporter

    Ok.. I will leave it alone then.. I apologize. Sorry to tag everyone I just got carried away :wacky:
     
  19. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 Senior Member

    No need to apologize. You threw out an idea, I disagreed.
     
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  20. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof Supporter

    I've always thought of it like the image in the article that you linked, but I'm not sure how a deteriorated die would look and if it would ever go as far as the coin that the OP posted.
     
  21. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    I agree not Longacre doubling , and I am also on the fence as to it being real "genuine"
    I do suppose acid or some sort of whizzing be it tooled or chemically induced.
     
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