1890 CC Morgan Feedback

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Inspector43, Aug 12, 2024.

  1. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I traded for this many years ago. I have always wanted to get some feedback on it but never took the time. What does the forum think about it? It appears to have been cleaned and there are some marks on the obverse that I would like to better understand.
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  3. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here is an example from PCGS Coin Facts in a similar sharpness grade, VF-20. I am not sure about the rims on your piece. They just don't look right. I could be wrong, but I would say questionable authenticity. The Chinese counterfeits have been around for well over a decade now. I am also not a fan of the surfaces which have not been rubbed.

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  4. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    Thanks @johnmilton for the feedback. I have had this for several decades but that is not necessarily important to qualify.
     
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  5. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I weighed the coin at 26.62 and tried to check it against a VAM. Here is a photo from VAM 7 and a photo of mine. VAM photo below. 1890 CC VAM 7.jpg
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  6. Lon Chaney

    Lon Chaney Well-Known Member

    I don't know much about this. However the OP's coin does look "blobby". So I probably wouldn't touch it. That's all.
    Your mintmark does seem to match that VAM image though, as well as the shape of the letters D and O.
    So maybe it's just bad lighting in photo 1.
     
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  7. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    I think it is authentic because of the wear patterns.

    It looks to have slid across many a poker table and populated many a cash register up and down the West Coast before eventually being taken out of circulation. The right side obv. stars are more worn than the left. More people are right handed and tend to handle coins with their dominant hand, as true today as back then, when cars were beginning to replace horses as transportation.

    I have over 150 Morgans and Peace that have been in the family for at least the last 64 years that I know of and many of those have similar obv. and rev. wear pattern indicators. Looking at the OP coin reminds me of my own…imo…Spark
     
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  8. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    That 1890 CC was my one concern. I will now post my CC set now that I am comfortable with them. I have had them for many years and will let them out for view.
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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Looks good to me as well. I think the wear patterns are correct for a genuine coin. The CC mint mark also looks like a VAM and a counterfeiter wouldn’t bother with that. Nice CC collection @Inspector43.
     
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  10. Lon Chaney

    Lon Chaney Well-Known Member

    After seeing them all, I do believe that it's the lighting/photos giving it an odd appearance.
     
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  11. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I am not very good at photography. Thanks for all the feedback.
     
  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I think all of us agree that the piece in OP has been cleaned. The trouble is I don't see a cleaning pattern that comes from sliding on a poker table or getting clanged around in a cash register. The face, eagle and the fields around them have been rubbed, but protected areas away of that have not. That looks like a careless cleaning which sometimes what counterfeiters do when they "age" their products.
     
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