1889 guernsey 4 doubles medal alignment ?

Well it could be still a mule, look at the recent mule UK Twenty Pence same coins, same denominations two different designs on the reverse, one having no date.

 

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I think of a "mule" as mismatched obverse and reverse dies, without regard to denomination(s). A mule could have a different denomination on each side, but it's not a necessity...

 

aye true.. ill have too take it too my local dealer and see his craic lol

i kept forgetting to check for one of them 20's

 

I wouldn`t bother with the 20P, there were a few million i`m sure.
BTW my Dad (91) is from South Shields, he`s lost the lingo though:smile

 

By definition, it is two different denominations here in the States unless they've changed the definition lately.

Chris

 

really ? thats pretty cool, small world haha ! nah im not fussed i remember the hype but at the time i wasnt too bothered i had a good job so didnt care much i also wasnt collecting coins back then, im not too fussed on errors anyway im just keen too see what the story is with it.. the only modern stuff i collect is the stuff like the bridges pounds (was suprised too find newcastle/gateshead on it !)
the capital cities series and the olympic 50's other than that all my stuff is mainly colonial and any english stuff is the type struck only for the colonies like the 1/3 farthings and the '52 6d '43 3d !

 

the royal mint called them a mule if i remember correctly, therefore i believe an overhaul of your alternative dictionary may be required

 

Nah! We'll just keep our definitions the way they are like "flashlight", "drive to the right" and such. :devil:

Chris

 

oh yeah nothing good about driving on the wrong side of the road ha ! my dads friend just bought a 6litre V8 corvette actually 70s one hes drove it for three hours and its cost 50 pounds in petrol lol

 

Did he buy it over there or have it shipped from the States?

Chris

 

he paid 14,000 from an importer

 

The Glossary in the Redbook defines "mule" as "a coin struck from two dies not originally intended to be used together." Nothing about denominations.

 

The Official Price Guide to Mint Errors by Alan Herbert defines a mule as: A coin struck with mismatched dies, one of which is intended for the coin, the other from any other official dies intended for a different series or denomination.

I read it wrong. My apology!

Chris

 

Accepted, of course. And so the OP's coin cannot be a mule. Hope he will investigate with a dealer in British minors; could be big bucks to a specialist.

 

I disagree, this coin is not American , so American terminology cannot be used to describe it.
The coin was struck in Birmingham, UK.
Spink; Mule. A coin with the current type on one side and the previous (and usually obsolete) type on the other side,, or a piece struck from two dies that are not normally used together.
In view of the "H" mintmark missing and the alignment being medal instead of coin, this could well be a mule.

 

The H mintmark is not missing, it is extremely worn away; you can see a trace of it below the 88 in the date.

And you answered your own question: "...or a piece struck from two dies that are not normally used together." = MULE

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You forgot this bit.
A coin with the current type on one side and the previous (and usually obsolete) type on the other side,, = MULE
I`m not seeing any trace of an H

 

It's very worn. I think the OP will verify it's there, if he holds the coin at an angle. If there's truly no H, then maybe the coin is a counterfeit - and they don't care about alignments.

And a counterfeit's probably worth a good deal.

 

Ill get my microscope out when I get in and have a proper look

 

Not a counterfeit as far as I can tell, suspect this is just a die alignment error. I have several 19th century UK coins with major deviations from the correct die axis, and while rare, I do not think they are particularly valuable.