1889 CC what would you grade it?

I found this in a pawn shop. This guy is all ways good for some nice examples.
It's an independently run shop, not a chain. So, I do like to make it there whenever possible. These are cell phone photos sorry for the quality.

 

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It's definitely severely cleaned.
It does look a little suspect, mainly because the denticles are a little too "doughy" for comfort.
Assuming it's real, anywhere between VF and XF+; it's hard to tell from the cleaning

 

VF Details, Harshly cleaned, Run

 

Like every 89-CC is in a details slab it seems and they're still worth a bundle.

I took a gamble on a raw one some months ago and it came back as fine details damaged, still sold for close to $500 in auction

 

I am not fully aware, as far as the sales go. It is on a free layaway, but we have not agreed on a price. I gave him a Biz card in case the price I would buy it for is better than the next.

 

IDK Something sez fake to me...I could be wrong but I personally no matter the price would pass. Besides the cleaning it just looks un natural.

 

I don't know if it is real or fake. But the "9" matches this counterfeit.
http://www.vamworld.com/COUNTERFEIT+PAGE

 

fake, weird wear cast marks on reverse

 

That is a great part of VAM World that I didn't know existed. Thanks, I book marked it.

 

Morgans are not my thing, but I don't like the CC.

 

This is a tilted left CC VAM 4

 

All the signs are there. I will try and blow up the date.

 

Alright, I don't want to be like @Insider And not let you know, How this thread started, I saw this coin in the display case. The manager/owner was talking to a customer. I asked to look at the coin, he said no problem, handed me the coin. with intentions, ( the price was on the other side).

Said you got a loupe,
I could see from the case that it was cleaned, no idea it was a CC yet.
Saw, the flash in the Eagles wings, the display of a polished die to hide the casting, Flippped it over and saw the bubbles around the date.
Said I am sorry Bud but,
Did this thing weigh out and pass a diameter test?
Said, yes with a disgusted look?
I said, let's start with the casting bubbles,
He flung the coin across the room,
He said yeah, you can see the impurities in the metal.

I said so?
What about the 600$ price?
He said, I got too much money in it.!

I said you mind if I get my phone from the truck, and get some pics?
he said no problem.
I Said, this would be great for the CT forum.
By the way,I would be giving about 35-40$ for this example.

I have wondered if the polishing was done before the strike or after?

 

I do not for a moment think it genuine.

And I'm gonna stop here rather than explain, since you posted while I was typing.

Couldn't have been VAM-4, though, that one's a Normal Date and this one's a Far Date.

With a High 1, which kinda gives it away without looking further.

 

Unless you can have the authenticity independently verified, I would take a pass.

 

I wish you to post @Insider

 

I would be shocked if that coin is real! I'm just sayin', everything about it says fake. May be time to send a link over to your pawn shop bud, of this thread. Maybe he'll give it a better look and test. Wish him luck but it don't look good at all.

 

Not a match of any of the known die pairings. Fake - details - harshly scrubbed.

 

...But the "9" matches this counterfeit. No it does not.
http://www.vamworld.com/COUNTERFEIT PAGE"

Pickin and Grinin, posted: "I wish you to post.." I'm too late. The coin is a die struck counterfeit. It is NOT a cast.

Now, forget the fact @Dave Waterstraat pointed out about the lack of a die pairing. If you are standing in a flea market or pawn shop you either need to have access to a computer or be a VAM expert. What caught my eye right away was the heavy buffing (probably done to hide the poor luster and color when the fake left the die). Next I noticed the relief of the coin was too "mushy." Let's look closer, at the reverse from 1:30 to 2:30. There is a tool mark next to the wing tip and a big blob on the "E." Also note the lack of uniformity of the denticals inside the rim - especially at 11:00.