1889-CC morgan Smart purchase or REALLY BAD one.

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by ROB OZ, Jan 6, 2013.

  1. ROB OZ

    ROB OZ New Member

    The title pretty much says it all. Took a gamble and bought an 1889-CC morgan. It looks authentic but I'm no expert. So I'd like to hear what you think. REAL or FAKE?

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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Uh, well...it's got rather a cast look to it, as opposed to struck.

    But I'll defer to the experts.
     
  4. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    I would not buy that coin ungraded by a tpg
     
  5. pumpkinpie

    pumpkinpie what is this I don*t even

    It appears to have the dead, lifeless look of a cast coin. How much does it weigh?
     
  6. ROB OZ

    ROB OZ New Member

    On my el cheapo scale, 27 grams. It's not magnetic and is the right diameter.
     
  7. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    Where did you buy it?
     
  8. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    I hate to say it, but i'm 90% sure it's fake.
     
  9. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    Can't say, but unless you can see this in hand before purchasing, this is the type of year/mm that you want slabbed by a TPG
     
  10. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    Also, I normally do not ask this outright, but how much did you pay for it?
     
  11. ROB OZ

    ROB OZ New Member

    You won't like the answer but... Craigslist. Now don't let that sway you. I may be novice but do have a brain in my head. With that being said. I met a coin guy in my local area that I know and took him with me to go check it out. He s[ent about 20 or so minutes examining it and in the end he said he believes it to be real. Though I know there's a chance it could be one of the Chinese counterfeits... If that's the case then it's a superb one. He didn't see anything that would lead him to believe the mint mark was added. The area around the "CC" looked untouched. As far as the cast look. It's not there in person. I has the cartwheel affect unlike that dull flat reflection a cast coin would have.
     
  12. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    Send it in to PCGS/NGC and see what happens.
     
  13. Detecto92

    Detecto92 Well-Known Member

    I have had cast morgan dollars before in my possession (stamped copy of course). The silver/grey around the feathers on the reverse look just like mine.
     
  14. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Before you consider sending it in for authentication, compare it with this article on authenticating the 1889-CC.

    http://www.anacs.com/contentPages/ShowArticle.aspx?ID=18

    It's bad enough that you bought a very expensive key date that is uncertified (you have to ask yourself why isn't it certified before you pull the trigger) but off of Crookslist? No! No! No! You need to learn more before you start buying expensive coins.

    Chris
     
  15. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    +1 This is the kind of coin you send in for grading. If it comes back graded or even details, then great.

    Again, how much did you pay for it?
     
  16. sonlarson

    sonlarson World Silver Collector

    Agree big time!
     
  17. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    It is fake. Reverse lettering extremely crude. Eagle is out of proportion, and mint mark looks nothing like real Carson City. Why even think of buying a raw key like that. Very ad purchase--99% likely fake. Doesn't even look like a decent fake.
     
  18. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    Honestly, if that's a cast, it's one heck of a good one... but when something seems too good to be true, it usually is. ;)

    I'd like to hear how the diagnostic testing goes from the link Chris has provided.
     
  19. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    However, if you only spent $100, I don't know if I would spend the extra $30 to get it graded seeing the odds are you are in possession of something other than a 1889 CC.

    Again, the big question, how much did you pay for it?
     
  20. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    That's what i was thinking, but then again morgans really aren't my forte
     
  21. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Folks-- it is very crude looking. The reverse is a terrible job. The obverse is slightly better, but the proportions of the devices are distorted. No chance of being real.
     
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