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<p>[QUOTE="mikem2000, post: 1372797, member: 30574"]Oh, but we have much more to go on than just blurry photos and just as a side note, we can take your position to the n'th degree and say things like you can't tell with it just by having it in your hand, you can't tell just by looking at it with a loupe, the fact is there is always a small degree of doubt, but as the doubt lessens to the point where it is very low, you can make a reasonable call</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, for the more information than just blurry pictures. The OP took the coin to two dealers, and while we I am not willing to take their opinions as fact, you have to assume that they were at least able determine proper weight, check the ring test, and things like that, that would knock it out of the category of cheap counterfeit. So plus 1 that it is real.</p><p><br /></p><p>The next piece of info that is known by some of us is a bit about Chinese fakes. The first thing to know, was there was a huge amount of fake worn looking Morgans (many dates) that sufaced and they were all related to one group. This one group of fakes all had one thing in common. They had a very poor 9 that did not resemble the real McCoy. Sometimes it is called the China 9 The inner circle of the China 9 is very round. It is not at all like the inner circle of 9 of the coin in question which is the more proper oval. Plus 2 that the coin is real.</p><p><br /></p><p>In addition, like I said earlier, this coin matches a VAM 5 perfectly. With most Chinese fakes of a very scarce coin, the Chinese do not have an example of the coin on hand. So what they do is get a common date 1889 to use as the obverse and they get a common date CC and use the reverse of that coin for the reverse. So you wind up with a mismatch of reverse/obverse. The Big Tree Coin company is famous for this. The coin in question is not mismatched. Plus 3 that the coin is real.</p><p><br /></p><p>So while in the strictest sense this does not prove the coins authenticity, it sure is looking like an authentic coin to me.</p><p><br /></p><p>Mike[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="mikem2000, post: 1372797, member: 30574"]Oh, but we have much more to go on than just blurry photos and just as a side note, we can take your position to the n'th degree and say things like you can't tell with it just by having it in your hand, you can't tell just by looking at it with a loupe, the fact is there is always a small degree of doubt, but as the doubt lessens to the point where it is very low, you can make a reasonable call Now, for the more information than just blurry pictures. The OP took the coin to two dealers, and while we I am not willing to take their opinions as fact, you have to assume that they were at least able determine proper weight, check the ring test, and things like that, that would knock it out of the category of cheap counterfeit. So plus 1 that it is real. The next piece of info that is known by some of us is a bit about Chinese fakes. The first thing to know, was there was a huge amount of fake worn looking Morgans (many dates) that sufaced and they were all related to one group. This one group of fakes all had one thing in common. They had a very poor 9 that did not resemble the real McCoy. Sometimes it is called the China 9 The inner circle of the China 9 is very round. It is not at all like the inner circle of 9 of the coin in question which is the more proper oval. Plus 2 that the coin is real. In addition, like I said earlier, this coin matches a VAM 5 perfectly. With most Chinese fakes of a very scarce coin, the Chinese do not have an example of the coin on hand. So what they do is get a common date 1889 to use as the obverse and they get a common date CC and use the reverse of that coin for the reverse. So you wind up with a mismatch of reverse/obverse. The Big Tree Coin company is famous for this. The coin in question is not mismatched. Plus 3 that the coin is real. So while in the strictest sense this does not prove the coins authenticity, it sure is looking like an authentic coin to me. Mike[/QUOTE]
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