1886-1888 CC Morgans

There is a private production of silver 1886, 1887 and 1888 CC Morgans to commemorate the gap years of the real ones. They are graded gem-proof by NGC and are very attractive. Does anyone know the mintage of these since I do not know the producers to ask. The claim is that the same ''press'' was used to strike the recent issues as the original ones. What is a ''press'' (versus dies)? How do you price these items?
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@dcarr

 

These were actually not made by Dan Carr.
I believe they were commissioned by GovMint. The premiums are high and they occasionally sell for a lot on ebay. At other times they go for less. One ebay auction finished at 110 for all three:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/2014-Carson-C...%3A571e7c2c1590a78873e07619ffc6f8be%7Ciid%3A5

Here is a link to the description for the 1888:
http://www.govmint.com/1888-cc-morgan-silver-dollar-ngc-gem-proof-nevada-museum-commemorative.html

 

The press is the machine which holds the dies in place for striking the planchets.

Happy Gnu Year to yew, two!

Chris

 

The strangest thing about those (to me, anyway), is that NGC "certified" them.
If I had made them, the Liberty Head and Eagle would have been a lot more like the original.

 

So these were struck on the still working press #1 at the Nevada State Museum in Carson City?

 

Apparently. Given that they're labeled "Commemorative," I can see how (in addition, obviously, to some baksheesh) how the Carson City people would have authorized it. The design is just far enough off of the original to irritate me, though.

 

Looks child like and amateurish.......the Chinese could do a better job.

 

Hmm. I haven't spoken with Ken Hopple in a while but I might just have to shoot him an email. I have a handful of the modern commemoratives they strike with various designs using the CC mm

 

So you would have tried to make exact copies of someone else's work then, huh?

 

It is gonna tick me off if I have to put someone I admire as much as you on Ignore simply because you won't let go of this.

 

Up to you, my friend, but we don't have to agree on everything to appreciate one another. Just ask @Cascade . Met him and @calcol this summer at the ANA and we had a blast.

 

I don't mind disagreeing with you on this issue. Heck, Cascade and I are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, and we manage to get along quite nicely.

But it speaks poorly of someone who insists on adding a "special ingredient" to the Cheerios every_single_time anything remotely resembling the disagreeable topic is raised. It's petty.

 

He and I are on opposite sides of the political realm as well, haha. But I don't bombard every thread. I pick and choose. I have a simple point and stance that I try to make. Most folks here know that's just where I stand on it.

 

By sheer coincidence, that's about the going rate for one Carr 1909-O overstrike -- and when you look at these in comparison to Carr's work, it's easy to see why the prices shake out that way.

I'm also surprised to see that the 1964-D Morgan overstrikes have been going for $150, $200, or even higher -- even though they're still available at the original issue price directly from Moonlight Mint. It sort of makes me wonder why I'm not buying up all the remaining ones just to flip them on eBay. Must be Kurt's voice over my right shoulder...

 

Some other things to note: these CC replicas usually have a higher issue price compared to Carr pieces, are backed by the marketing teams of MCM and GovMint, and are certified by a major TPG. Yet Carr pieces are valued higher in the aftermarket. Thoughts to ponder...

 

As far as the execution of the design is concerned, yuck. GovMint? Yuck, again.

 

But its a "must have for any serious Morgan collector"

 

I already have, I could not take his constant posts like that, all he is doing is making a fool out of himself.