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<p>[QUOTE="ToughCOINS, post: 3223685, member: 20480"]"This" (the grade) does not determine value. The attributes of the coin do that.</p><p><br /></p><p>When newspapers, periodicals and mailings were the only available means of offering coins for sale, the grade was indispensable, but no longer. Photographs of coinage are almost ubiquitous today, and far more useful than numerical grades. No one needs to buy a coin sight unseen today when there are so many imaged examples available for purchase. In fact, I don't think I know anyone who wants to buy a coin sight unseen.</p><p><br /></p><p>There was a time when the value of a coin was almost universally determined by the adjectival grade, and later by the numerical grade. Now, valuing a coin has become so nuanced that the technical grade is less important than the sum of the coin's attributes, more easily conveyed by images than by a numerical grade. Unless one cannot grade, that is. It is for they which cannot grade that the numerical grade still determines value . . . or so they think. And that's where my argument holds water.</p><p><br /></p><p>Not all VF coins are worth the same amount of money. Do PCGS and NGC consciously boost the grade of an outstanding VF30 coin to XF40 to make sure it is appropriately priced? Do they suppress a homely VF25 to F15 for the same reason? I can't say for sure, as I do not work for them, but I've seen many examples which lead me to believe that is the case. Since those most dependent on the TPGs seem to blindly link a coin's value with its numerical grade, it makes sense to me that the TPGs would adjust the grade accordingly. Do I like that they do so (or appear to)? No, but I understand why.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah, doing away with everything except authentication seemed nuts to me too, at first. But I feel that dumping numerical grading by the TPGs would likely purge the investor community which drives so many issues to untenable levels and injects so much instability into the market. Seeing investors driven out of the market in one final exodus would be near term pain for long term gain. That's just one man's opinion, of course. I can't stand hearing repeated complaints of how expensive it has become to collect American coins, when the reason for it is plain for all to see.</p><p><br /></p><p>By the way, I forgot to include something in my thoughts last post. In addition to declaring the coin authentic, it should also be declared either natural or not. Then buyers can take comfort that their coins have not been cleaned, damaged or altered, and may then determine value for themselves, based purely on how they grade the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>It was the abuses of unscrupulous dealers which gave birth to the TPG's in the first place. We, as knowledgeable collectors are fully capable of honing our grading skills, and re-calibrating as needed. If a declaration that a coin is both authentic and natural would suitably address the market need, I submit that a grade may not even be necessary on the holders.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>We'll see . . . so far I at least don't feel like I have been left behind.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="ToughCOINS, post: 3223685, member: 20480"]"This" (the grade) does not determine value. The attributes of the coin do that. When newspapers, periodicals and mailings were the only available means of offering coins for sale, the grade was indispensable, but no longer. Photographs of coinage are almost ubiquitous today, and far more useful than numerical grades. No one needs to buy a coin sight unseen today when there are so many imaged examples available for purchase. In fact, I don't think I know anyone who wants to buy a coin sight unseen. There was a time when the value of a coin was almost universally determined by the adjectival grade, and later by the numerical grade. Now, valuing a coin has become so nuanced that the technical grade is less important than the sum of the coin's attributes, more easily conveyed by images than by a numerical grade. Unless one cannot grade, that is. It is for they which cannot grade that the numerical grade still determines value . . . or so they think. And that's where my argument holds water. Not all VF coins are worth the same amount of money. Do PCGS and NGC consciously boost the grade of an outstanding VF30 coin to XF40 to make sure it is appropriately priced? Do they suppress a homely VF25 to F15 for the same reason? I can't say for sure, as I do not work for them, but I've seen many examples which lead me to believe that is the case. Since those most dependent on the TPGs seem to blindly link a coin's value with its numerical grade, it makes sense to me that the TPGs would adjust the grade accordingly. Do I like that they do so (or appear to)? No, but I understand why. Yeah, doing away with everything except authentication seemed nuts to me too, at first. But I feel that dumping numerical grading by the TPGs would likely purge the investor community which drives so many issues to untenable levels and injects so much instability into the market. Seeing investors driven out of the market in one final exodus would be near term pain for long term gain. That's just one man's opinion, of course. I can't stand hearing repeated complaints of how expensive it has become to collect American coins, when the reason for it is plain for all to see. By the way, I forgot to include something in my thoughts last post. In addition to declaring the coin authentic, it should also be declared either natural or not. Then buyers can take comfort that their coins have not been cleaned, damaged or altered, and may then determine value for themselves, based purely on how they grade the coin. It was the abuses of unscrupulous dealers which gave birth to the TPG's in the first place. We, as knowledgeable collectors are fully capable of honing our grading skills, and re-calibrating as needed. If a declaration that a coin is both authentic and natural would suitably address the market need, I submit that a grade may not even be necessary on the holders. We'll see . . . so far I at least don't feel like I have been left behind.[/QUOTE]
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