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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dannic113, post: 1358849, member: 35203&quot;]First off NNC expect that MS65 to be at best a 62/63 and maybe at worst an AU. Rule of thumb with them is over inflated grade by at least 2-3 grades and 5-6 at worst for genuine coins. Now that&#039;s assuming that it isn&#039;t tampered with, counterfeit or cleaned. As to your question of how to tell cleaning. It depends on how amature or professional the job was. Most will dip the coins and then take a brush to get everything off the coin. Others will rub with a towel to dry the coin. Any of this rubbing or scrubing will leave lines all over the coin...field and devices. Coins that are buffed or whizzed will leave circular lines and marks all over. Heavy dips will actually etch the coin and take a ultra thin layer of the metal off with it when taking the tone, patina, dirt, etc. off the coin. Look for coins with a real smooth surface or if it etches the coin too much it will leave scars in the metal. The light dips are the hardest to tell especially if they were rinsed properly with distilled water to dillute the dip and blotted dry or air dried. Still some of the dirt, tone whatever they were trying to remove will still be present as these don&#039;t etch the coin so they don&#039;t take it all away. You will also tend to see some pitting or marks in the coin that was caused by whatever they removed. If you see pitting or corrosion but they is nothing on the coin then ask yourself how did the damage get here? It didn&#039;t happen by magic so the coin was cleaned. The cause was taken off the coin but the damage that the oxidation, or corrosion, or PVC, etc. did to the coin will still be there and in many cases is actually more pronounced than if they had left it alone. As always though ask an expect dealer you trust to make a final determination as they will be able to look at it with coin in hand.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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