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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2765370, member: 24314&quot;]<span style="color: #000000">Part #1</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Thanks for posting this link.&nbsp; I did not bother to comment in the past because I thought by the time anyone read Post#22 the thread would be &quot;</span><b><span style="color: #b30000">Answered</span></b><span style="color: #000000">&quot; as they do on another site.&nbsp; As it happens, the usual conjecture and &quot;what-ifs&quot; kept it going.&nbsp; So I&#039;ll add my 2c.&nbsp; </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3">SuperDave, posted: &quot;How could it be a &quot;Super-Fake&quot; if it won&#039;t pass a cursory examination from anyone familiar with varieties of the series in question?&quot;&nbsp; </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">This member has me on &quot;Ignore.&quot;&nbsp; He may wish to read this. After that, I hope to be placed back on &quot;Ignore.&quot; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">The reason this is classified as a &quot;Super Fake&quot; is that it is a state-of-the-art counterfeit!&nbsp; That means that it would defy detection by all but about .03% of the dealers/collectors who saw it if was a common date and not an 1884-S!&nbsp; This can easily be proven by examples of deceptive counterfeit dollars from our past (that defied detection) that are considered very crude when compared to what is being made today.</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Furthermore, 98% of collectors and dealers have no idea of Morgan dollar VAMS except for a very few of the popular ones. Oh, lookie here. I found a 1922 Peace dollar with an unlisted die break.&nbsp; I think I&#039;ll send my &quot;Discovery Coin&quot; in and get it published as 1922 VAM-4672!&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; I don&#039;t really feel that way but I need to give Dave another reason to continue my reputation as a <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie93" alt=":troll:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and Keep me on &quot;Ignore.&quot;&nbsp; I also want to get [USER=75984]@Cascade[/USER] stirred up a little this morning.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3">HawkeEye, posted: &quot;I did not see in the article if it was made from something magnetic or did they actually use silver? ...But this one looked like they made a high quality die.&quot;</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Super Fakes are within tolerance as far as alloy, weight, and size.&nbsp; They are die struck and not magnetic.&nbsp; You are correct. A high-quality, counterfeit die was used to make this piece.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3">Cascade, posted: &quot;If it&#039;s the correct weight </span><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">and</span></i><span style="color: #0000b3"> dimensions it has to be either silver or </span><b><span style="color: #b30000">tungsten</span></b> <b><span style="color: #000000">(?)</span></b><span style="color: #0000b3"> I believe. It is strange that they don&#039;t mention that though.&quot; </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">No need to, NCG figured it should be obvious. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3">eddiespin, posted: &quot;I think this whole article is a little goofy. For instance, were this counterfeit, obviously these were no amateurs who did it. This article would have us believe they overlooked an obvious die gouge right smack in the center of the profile that any fool collector or not couldn&#039;t overlook. That doesn&#039;t seem to make sense. Why isn&#039;t this from another die? There were 3.2 million of these minted.&quot; </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">There sure is something &quot;goofy&quot; going on here. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> The people who made this coin are professional &quot;fabricators&quot; not professional numismatists. They made a Super Fake, yet blundered very obviously in its execution causing many here to believe they are expert authenticators.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Three things are apparent to me from this coin:</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">1. There may be other less valuable deceptive fakes from this source in the market.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">2. They will be more careful the next time. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">3. They believed that their method of producing this next generation of fakes was so good that they tried for the big $$$$ score and used a rare date knowing that it would eventually be scrutinized carefully. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3">messydesk, posted:&nbsp; &quot;What is unclear from the article is whether this is a struck counterfeit or a sandwich coin alteration made from a genuine 84-CC VAM 7 obverse and a genuine S-mint reverse (probably 79-82).&nbsp; I really hope this is a sandwich coin.&nbsp; There is a rim defect on the obverse at 8:00 and a smaller one on the reverse at 5:00.&quot;</span></p><p><br /></p><p>If this were simply an added &quot;S&quot; or &quot;sandwich&quot; there would never have been a press release.&nbsp; Crude junk like that is saved for the average to below average collector in their <i>Numismatist</i> column.</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #0000b3">messydesk, posted:&nbsp; &quot;...it&#039;s still unclear to me whether the 84-CC VAM 7 was used as a pattern for a die.&quot; </span></p><p><br /></p><p>That is the case.&nbsp; IMO, anyone familiar with Morgan dollars should have known instantly that they had seen this obverse die (with the die marker) before.&nbsp; A real specialist such as yourself would have known instantly that the coin was an 84-CC!&nbsp; Then, when he turned it over...<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie96" alt=":vomit:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; New Super Fake![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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