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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Conder101, post: 2578745, member: 66&quot;]The presence of a crack does not &quot;create&quot; the variety but can be used as a marker to help identify the variety.&nbsp; A two coins from a given pair of dies, one from before the die cracked and one after it cracked, are both the same die variety.&nbsp; They are just different die stages of that variety</p><p><br /></p><p>A die variety is the product of a specific pair of dies, obv/rev.&nbsp; If either die is changed a new die variety occurs. (The problem comes from fully hubbed dies that can&#039;t be told apart because they don&#039;t have distinctive markers.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Marshall has die state and die stage reversed as far as they are typically used.</p><p><br /></p><p>Die state refers to the condition of wear that the die has received, the state of the die. (new and unworn in the early state moderately worn in the middle state and heavily worn in the late state) Every coin struck will have the die infinitesimally more worn than the preceding coin.&nbsp; We don&#039;t try to separate these into more than broad categories EDS, MDS, LDS, VLDS etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>Die stages refers to discrete changes in the die where we can say this coin is before that happened, then what ever it was happened, and this coin is from after that happened.&nbsp; Examples of things that can create die stages are die clashes, cracks (and extentions of those cracks), die polishings etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>As examples say you have a new die that has a small gouge (so we can definitely identify the die) and this die was used and used and became ever more worn until it was heavily worn and flowlined but never cracked or clashed before it was retired.&nbsp; This die would be known in VEDS, EDS, E-MDS, MDS, M-LDS, LDS, and VLDS but all of them would be Die Stage I.</p><p><br /></p><p>But say that same die had struck a few coins, then clashed, then struck a lot of coins becoming worn, then it cracked from the rim across a couple letters, struck some more then the crack extends a couple more letters, and finally strikes a lot more coins but the crack gets no worse. </p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;In this case you would have a VEDS die stage I, (clash) VEDS Die Stage II, MDS Die Stage II, (crack) MDS Die Stage III, (crack extends) MDS Die Stage IV, VLDS Die Stage IV.&nbsp; But they are all the same die variety. (assuming the other die has not been changed.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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