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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;SuperDave, post: 2527210, member: 1892&quot;]With all due respect, all that shows is the two coins are rotated just a little bit differently.</p><p><br /></p><p>When you&#039;re making comparatives about date placement and orientation, <i>let the coin show you the straight lines</i>. Take a vertical along the upright of the 1, and see where that intersects the denticles. Take a vertical through the exact center of the 8&#039;s. Don&#039;t impose your own arbitrary standards. <i>Let the coin dictate</i>.</p><p><br /></p><p>And if you&#039;re going to use a horizontal as an indicator, at least locate it in the same place on both coins. Yours isn&#039;t; look closer. And the lines are too thick to be definitive.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Dies change during their usage. Wear happens, impacts happen, lots of things happen. That&#039;s why denticle impressions appear and then disappear again, and that&#039;s why beveling appears and changes. And if you look at the difference in toning pattern, you can see the beveling on Justin&#039;s coin under the date. There&#039;s a reason why there are &quot;die states.&quot; It doesn&#039;t have to be <i>exact</i>, it has to be commensurate with what we know about how dies change during their lifetime.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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