1883-O Morgan textile Toned MS65 whats it worth

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by john41, Jul 30, 2014.

  1. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Nice coin but I can't see it as well.
     
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  3. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    Ok so I posted a new image a couple of posts back where the green dots are very clear and easy to see. I also posted a diagnostic by a very respected Toned Morgan expert explaining the green dots. How is it they are not visible as I am having no problem seeing them on my monitor? Here is an image with some of the green dots that are textile toning from being in contact with some sort of material assumed to be burlap.
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    I do not know what else I can do to point this out.
     
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  4. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    I like the coin alot. I wouldnt win this once, since I set myself at a max of 2x for toning, where as some people (@Mainebill) would pay 10x for the right coin.
     
  5. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I can see the spots a pretty coin personally I like end roll toners a bit better they just seem brighter and more even still a coin if slabbed and graded ms 65 I'd pay 6-700 for the ones that really get me going is the ones with great gradual color progressions especially from red to purple to blue
     
  6. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    I should say this also the marks on the cheek are roller marks because of the soft strike. A softer strike is common on these and if you look at the reverse you can see many die cracks making the coin even more interesting, at least to me.
     
  7. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I hope that the TPG indicated that it was textile toning, because it just doesn't appear to be so to me. No offense intended, but I disagree. Would like to see the photo of it in the slab at the end of the thread.
     
  8. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    I do appreciate peoples opinions so no offense taken. The holder does not state that it is textile toned, it is in a small ANACS holder at the moment. I mean no offense in this statement, I have had one of the best verify this coin when it comes to toned Morgans and that is where the write up in the previous post came from.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    John, this is what textile toning looks like -

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    Can you not readily see the difference between those coins and your coin ? That's why we are saying your coin does not have textile toning.

    With textile toning there are not just colored dots on the coin. There are colored dots in a very regular and distinct pattern. That pattern is created by the texture of the canvas bags the coins were in.
     
  10. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    Guys I no longer wish to argue with you so I have done my best to juice the image to allow you to see the pattern on this coin. Textile toning occurs when the surface of the coin is in contact with a surface that is some type of cloth. In this case it has been determined that it was burlap. Not all textile toned coins are completely symmetrical due to the cloth type and position that cloth has on the surface of the coin. The blue arrow shows the linear path of the weave of the burlap, burlap having a different weave and texture than cotton is what is producing the difference between my coin and your examples. I have also stated that this coin has been verify by some if not the best in the coin collecting community on toned Morgans. So here is the crazy juiced coin and I hope it help you all. Thank you for your time and consideration. (by the way put some green color into that 3 1884 and the pattern would be very close)
     
  11. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

  12. Jabbss651

    Jabbss651 Member

    I cant really see any textile toning...but it is purty. Id pay prolly 4 at the absolute most on a great day for you. its tough at times to value toned coins. I have a usual rule for myself to not buy rainbow or textile toners that are not graded. Lots of coin docs out there...irritating to me but it is what it is
     
  13. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    why does it matter if its textile toning?
     
  14. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Some can argue it is more likely to be NT, as it "occurred" with contact of a coin bag material . AT textile patterns can be produced by gaseous toning through a cloth overlay and likely are as much as 'monster toned' coins. Old old coin bags are bought by some for just this reason.
     
  15. xGAJx

    xGAJx Happy

    like I said, never buying a toned coin again :(
     
  16. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    The reason it matters if the coin is textile toned is that textile toned coins such as this MS65 graded coin pull a higher premium.
     
  17. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    Then whoever is buying the coin will have to decide for himself, whether the coin is worth a textile premium. Whatever is said here has very little meaning.
     
  18. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I'm seeing it especially in this pic , though it's not what I generally picture a textile toned coin to look like . Where else would the symmetric dots come from .
     
  19. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    rzage that is what I have been saying, to me the textile toning is very evident but to each their own. Here is another image taken with my Canon T3i a 150mm Sigma EX macro, Kaiser copy stand and 2 100w equivalent LED lights at 10 and 2.
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  20. Savy

    Savy Well-Known Member

    What camera and lights did you use for the photo in the first post? I really like how the luster looks in that picture and would love for my own photos to look more like that.
    Stunning coin and I think it would make a great addition to any collection.
     
  21. john41

    john41 Toned coins, I like them. If I have it so can you.

    Same setup but I used a 100mm Canon USM macro and the lighting was at a different angle to show the luster of the coin.
     
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