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<p>[QUOTE="Stork, post: 2660754, member: 71642"]Unfortunately there are not a lot of English language resources for the finer details.</p><p><br /></p><p>It could be the photos, but the surfaces look a bit off/grainy and the weight is a bit light. The weights and diameters are generally quite standard and it should be 38.6 mm and 26.96 grams. Many coins have variants, but the basic dimensions remain correct. This is the same mint that shows a distinction between that size and the previous 38.58 mm for the year 3 yen and the trade dollar.</p><p><br /></p><p>The shape of the 1 in 416 does match the style used between years 11-19 (and part of year 8).</p><p><br /></p><p>Agree the dots look mushy and not well defined, but mostly in the 'head on' view. They do look better defined on the angled shot.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is mine NGC AU-58:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/MGKdRVLQ5y7X5HKS8cR9_M15%20yen%20vertical%202200.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is are a couple HA.com slabbed ones:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-yen-year-15-1882-au58-ngc-/a/3049-33589.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-yen-year-15-1882-au58-ngc-/a/3049-33589.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#" rel="nofollow">https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-yen-year-15-1882-au58-ngc-/a/3049-33589.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-yen-year-15-1882-ms64-ngc-/a/3043-29329.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-yen-year-15-1882-ms64-ngc-/a/3043-29329.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515" rel="nofollow">https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-yen-year-15-1882-ms64-ngc-/a/3043-29329.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515</a></p><p><br /></p><p>on the other hand, this (also Heritage) shows the dots more similar to the OP--BUT IT'S THE WRONG DATE COIN (even though the slab says it's 1882), which makes me wonder about that whole grading event--and may be fine in year 19 vs. year 15.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-15-1882-yen-/a/3020-27525.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-15-1882-yen-/a/3020-27525.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#" rel="nofollow">https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-15-1882-yen-/a/3020-27525.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, based on the photos I'd be a bit suspicious and I'd want very exact diameter/weight. I'd like to know if it's as grainy as it looks. And, the weird circular marks in the center of the reverse make me wonder about damage vs. a manufactured issue--is this a feature on known counterfeits or is it just a strange bit of damage?</p><p><br /></p><p>It's not a key/semi-key so seems like a less likely one to get copied, but you never know.</p><p>--------</p><p>edited to add: the more I look at it, the more 'off' it looks--the surfaces look way too grainy.</p><p>----------</p><p>Also edited to change my picture out to the vertical view.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Stork, post: 2660754, member: 71642"]Unfortunately there are not a lot of English language resources for the finer details. It could be the photos, but the surfaces look a bit off/grainy and the weight is a bit light. The weights and diameters are generally quite standard and it should be 38.6 mm and 26.96 grams. Many coins have variants, but the basic dimensions remain correct. This is the same mint that shows a distinction between that size and the previous 38.58 mm for the year 3 yen and the trade dollar. The shape of the 1 in 416 does match the style used between years 11-19 (and part of year 8). Agree the dots look mushy and not well defined, but mostly in the 'head on' view. They do look better defined on the angled shot. Here is mine NGC AU-58: [IMG]https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/MGKdRVLQ5y7X5HKS8cR9_M15%20yen%20vertical%202200.jpg[/IMG] Here is are a couple HA.com slabbed ones: [url]https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-yen-year-15-1882-au58-ngc-/a/3049-33589.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#[/url] [url]https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-yen-year-15-1882-ms64-ngc-/a/3043-29329.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515[/url] on the other hand, this (also Heritage) shows the dots more similar to the OP--BUT IT'S THE WRONG DATE COIN (even though the slab says it's 1882), which makes me wonder about that whole grading event--and may be fine in year 19 vs. year 15. [url]https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/world-coins/japan-meiji-15-1882-yen-/a/3020-27525.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#[/url] Anyway, based on the photos I'd be a bit suspicious and I'd want very exact diameter/weight. I'd like to know if it's as grainy as it looks. And, the weird circular marks in the center of the reverse make me wonder about damage vs. a manufactured issue--is this a feature on known counterfeits or is it just a strange bit of damage? It's not a key/semi-key so seems like a less likely one to get copied, but you never know. -------- edited to add: the more I look at it, the more 'off' it looks--the surfaces look way too grainy. ---------- Also edited to change my picture out to the vertical view.[/QUOTE]
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