1881-O/S ? Something underneath the mint mark - opinions?

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  1. Brett_in_Sacto

    Brett_in_Sacto Well-Known Member

    So I have what I think may be a ringer, but I'd like other opinions. There's something under the mint mark and I'm going to get out the hi-res camera this weekend and review.

    I've shamelessly stolen verbiage from PCGS regarding the supposed variety. Pictures below it. The last picture is the best I can do with the camera I've got now.

    http://www.pcgs.com/books/silver-dollars/Chapter15Listings-049.aspx

    2. "1881-O/S" (status controversial): A variety described as 1881-O/S, Breen-5560, has been cited by Walter Breen (B-5560), but has not been confirmed by others. Leroy C. Van Allen and Bill Fivaz each report that they have never seen such a variety; Van Allen suggests that VAM-5 or 9 might be mistaken for an overmintmark. Thomas K. DeLorey believes it is just a repunched O. Jeff Oxman believes that it may indeed by an overmintmark, "but the jury is still out; it has similarities with 1882-O/S varieties.(Bill Fivaz and Leroy C. Van Allen letters to the author, each dated October 31, 1992. Thomas K. DeLorey note received November 1992. Jeff Oxman, letter to the author, November 29, 1992.)

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  3. miedbe7

    miedbe7 Wayward Collector

    These things play tricks on my eyes. To give you an idea of how my mind works (or doesn't) when viewing these, I am positive I see a "9" to the right of the O. Now is that just random metal movement from wear or could it be an ultra rare misplaced date ;)

    Back to your specific question, I definitely see something. Don't know if that counts for anything though.
     
  4. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I'm in know way an expert in these and it may very well be an OMM but I believe I am seeing details of a clashed die. I stole this overlay from VamWorld. I believe I can see the details of the wheat ears around the D and O in DOLLAR. And of the letter S around the second L in DOLLAR. 1882_morgan_overlay2_+5.jpg
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    We often have people who are looking so hard to see something that they could swear they see the Shroud of Turin when all it turns out to be is a dirty washcloth.

    All I see is circulation wear.

    Chris
     
  6. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    True. But I wasn't looking for it. I saw something that stood out and tried to determine what it might be.
    EDIT: This is what I saw. 20150903_155455-1.jpg
     
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  7. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    It certainly does look like an S but it appears too small.... I couldnt rule it out based on these images though.... I would like to see the high-res set of photos when they become available, Breen also claimed an 1881/9 S was floating around. Like the 80\79 S.... ive been looking for that coin for years!! I dont think it ever existed in the 1st place
     
  8. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Take a look at 1881-O VAM 5 on VAMWorld. I've seen uncirculated, slightly PL specimens of this coin and O/O makes more sense than O/S. Breen's assessment in his encyclopædia was as a "jack of all trades, master of none."
     
  9. Brett_in_Sacto

    Brett_in_Sacto Well-Known Member

    I'm sure Breen knows more than I ever will, but after a touch of acetone to get the gunk out - I think you are right. There's something under there, but I can't definitively say that I see an S underneath. Could be a re-punched mint mark, O/O and my hi-res camera doesn't do it justice. I'll try for some better views if I find anything different.

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  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Whatever it is, good luck in finding out.
     
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