1880 Morgan VAM ?

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  1. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    You're probably right but I would like to see better pics of obverse and reverse of the op coin first
     
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  3. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Remember, OP blind vaming, so this is what we have to work with .
    Hey bear, if you don't want it, send me the link, I'll take it ..
     
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  4. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Drinking my first beers of 2017. You really want me attributing stuff? :)

    Lemme look and see.
     
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  5. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Yes. And while you're at it crack out that 10s and give her a flip to see who will win tomorrow :p
     
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  6. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It certainly looks to have the counterclash doubled lips of 50a, which would rule out V7, but every VAM attribution requires both faces whether there's a smoking gun pickup on one face or not. It may be a new die pairing, or a previously-unknown die state.

    Could we have the reverse too, please?

    And $40 isn't unreasonable whether we have an attribution yet or not. Maybe not a "steal," but nobody should accuse you of throwing away your money on a slider 1880 at $40. I also want the reverse to help determine whether it's circulated or not.
     
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  7. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    I bought it, now being mailed to me. I knew it's a VAM just wasn't sure which one until Rick showed me. Now can't wait until I have it so I can look carefully over it.
     
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  8. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Will have it soon. Bought it and really can't wait so I can get more pictures out.
     
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  9. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Bought it Rick, can't wait to have it and fire some pics out.
     
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  10. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    I think Rick is trying to point out that the clash pretty much removes any possibility of it of it being an 80/79 since clashes tend to be unique to die pairings and OPs photo is clearer enough to identify it. Is there a possibility there was a clash at the end of the 79/80 run that perfectly matched another die pairing and a few coins popped out not to be discovered for over 100 years? ...I guess anything is possible... but it's extremely unlikely.
     
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  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    *shriek*

    Clashing in and of itself is too common on Morgans to really be "proof" of much, even with a little rotation added. However, this one sure appears to be counterclashed, where a second clashing incident (I'm thinking they're consecutive press movements) retransferred - in this case - clashed details of the lips back onto the obverse.

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    These specific locations are not so easily duplicable, and almost definitive for 50A. The chance exists, though, so reverse markers should be confirmed also.
     
  12. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Reminds me of " Name That Tune " ...
     
  13. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Well here is the Morgan I got, just looks like a nice 1880, I don't see VAM 50 or 50(A).......... DSC03016 (2).JPG DSC03019 (2).JPG
     
  14. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    Does the one you received have the die clash by the Eagle's left (viewer right) wing?
     
  15. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    oh yeah, I had forgotten which coin this was.
    We're going to need full front and back shots. And bigger. That picture you just posted is criminally small. And the Date. We were talking about that date. What's going on with the upper loop in the first 8?
    On a quick comparison of hit marks, strike and rub, it appears to be the same coin as original photo.
     
  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Well need better images then that, this is what I can do with a 35 dollar scope .
    SingleShot00436.jpg
     
  17. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    DSC03002 (1).JPG DSC03016 (3).JPG DSC03019 (2).JPG I am not expert at cropping pictures. Yes there is a die clash top of the wing. I am sending it off to check for VAM.
     
  18. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    to whom is getting this beauty ?
     
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  19. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    sending it to messydesk to see if he can see the VAM.
     
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