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heres a coin that i wraped in a gas station blue paper rag the type you get when you clean your windows. put coin away and forgot about it. after 6 months it looked like this. now would this be A toneing or N toneing because of the time it took to tone and was not trying to tone coin.

 

Imo that looks like artificial toning.

 

that coin there has never been in any kind of toneing solution

 

True, but you never know what was on the rag, what it was made of, and the effect it had on the coin. Imo those aren't natural colors, or pattern for a Morgan dollar.

 

Here lies the problem. If the same coin had lain in a paper envelope for 10 years, and developed those colors, it would have to be considered Natural toning.

Now if Kevin had wrapped it in the paper on purpose to see if it toned, before he forgot about it, many would say it is AT, because of intent.

Chemical reactions can not determine intent, and so far there is no scientific evidence that they react differently, if you mentally do try to communicate with them dd:~tone ~ tone baby tone.

If there was a way for TPG to tell AT from NT reliably, there would be fewer questionable color and more "Artificial color", and more coins graded that currently might not be because of QT.

It is perfectly fine to not like the colors and patterns of a coin's tone.

It is perfectly fine to like the colors and patterns of a coin's tone.

I just do not accept that one can determine the history of a coin's toning pattern, unless they have observed it over the time, or the coin has been unavailable (such as in storage such as at the Treasury until release or other documented progress.

Jim

 

Very true Jim, I should restate what I was trying to say.

There are certain patterns and colors that have been excepted by the tpgs, and many toning experts as being "natural", and there are also colors and patterns that have been considered "unnatural". It's very possible that a coin could naturally tone in an envelope for say 6 months, but the toning could be considered questionable, or unnatural. Imo this is the case with Kevin's coin, while technically the coin naturally toned in the rag, the toning that developed would be considered at the very least questionable, or even artificial.

 

i have seen people buying the mint bags that they are selling to put there coins in and hope to get nice colors from these bags years down the road. the only thing is that those old canvas mint bags used to be made out of hemp weed cannabis which thats where the name canvas came from. now they use cotton fibers so i dont think the new mint bags will tone coins the way they did years ago. paper will tone but its sulfur and thats the A toneing colors you see. im sure there was some kind of sulfur in the old canvas bag but to get the light see threw colors im sure the hemp had something to do with that.

 

i have been told the graders can tell if a coin has been in a solution because of water or something like that, now if that is true i should be able to send that coin in and they should grad it because it wasnt dipped in anything.

 

I would bet my money that if you sent that coin to either PCGS or NGC it wouldn't grade due to questionable color.

 

i picked up a cherry 1921 that i want to get graded, i will send the other coin in to see if they put it in a bodybag or not.

 

Sent to ICG or Anacs they won't body bag it unless it is a PVC contaminated or a fake

 

I don't collect Peace dollars but, that looks like a nice 21! As for the Morgan if you're going to send it to NGC or PCGS, I'll have to put my money where my mouth is. I'll refund you the grading fees if it comes back graded (Not Genuine, or a details grade, but in a problem free holder).