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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1260091, member: 66"]All die blanks are convex before hubbing, and all dies are also slightly convex when they are put into use. What makes this coin different is that the die is more convex than normal. From the pictures it appears that the coin is most strongly concave around the edges, specifically between the lettering and the edge. Normally to get that effect you would have to grind that curvature into the die face. Doing that though would result in very weak dentilation and weakness in the tops of the letters. The coin does not show that.</p><p><br /></p><p>One thing that could cause it would be if the edge of the die was sinking. But why would the edge of the die sink?</p><p><br /></p><p>When the dies are hubbed it causes work hardening of the die blank. That was why they had to re-anneal the dies to soften them between hubbings. After the final hubbing the die face would be work hardened and it would be hardest in the center of the die and softest around the edges. Normally the die would be then heated and deliberately hardened so as to have an even hardness across the die face. But what would happen if the work hardened die was used without that final hardening? The hardened centers would hold up for awhile but the softer edges of the die would start sinking. This could give you that curvature. The collar would still insure that the expanding planchet still filled the denticals, but that would also cause extra pressure around the edges and enhance the sinking. Now a die like that would not hold up for long so you would expect coins from it to be scarce to rare. That seems to fit with the rarity rating for this variety. The one BIG problem I see with this theory is that I would not expect the sinking to be as even as it appears to be on this coin.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1260091, member: 66"]All die blanks are convex before hubbing, and all dies are also slightly convex when they are put into use. What makes this coin different is that the die is more convex than normal. From the pictures it appears that the coin is most strongly concave around the edges, specifically between the lettering and the edge. Normally to get that effect you would have to grind that curvature into the die face. Doing that though would result in very weak dentilation and weakness in the tops of the letters. The coin does not show that. One thing that could cause it would be if the edge of the die was sinking. But why would the edge of the die sink? When the dies are hubbed it causes work hardening of the die blank. That was why they had to re-anneal the dies to soften them between hubbings. After the final hubbing the die face would be work hardened and it would be hardest in the center of the die and softest around the edges. Normally the die would be then heated and deliberately hardened so as to have an even hardness across the die face. But what would happen if the work hardened die was used without that final hardening? The hardened centers would hold up for awhile but the softer edges of the die would start sinking. This could give you that curvature. The collar would still insure that the expanding planchet still filled the denticals, but that would also cause extra pressure around the edges and enhance the sinking. Now a die like that would not hold up for long so you would expect coins from it to be scarce to rare. That seems to fit with the rarity rating for this variety. The one BIG problem I see with this theory is that I would not expect the sinking to be as even as it appears to be on this coin.[/QUOTE]
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