1878 Morgan for Eval

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  1. DCG

    DCG New Member

    Apologies as I don't have the best lighting in my office. I'm working on remedying that.
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  3. tibor

    tibor Supporter! Supporter

    VF details. Cleaned at one time.
     
  4. DCG

    DCG New Member

    Thank you for all your replies @tibor
    As you've indicated that most of my coins have been cleaned at some point, how can you tell?
     
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  5. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    She was in a knife fight!
     
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  6. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    XF details harshly cleaned
     
  7. YoloBagels

    YoloBagels Well-Known Member

    VF Details improperly cleaned
     
  8. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    All of the above.
     
  9. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    Welcome to Coin Talk. The dirt remaining around the stars, the edges of the devices, in between the letters, etc.. Especially when compared to how clean the Eagle and Liberty's face looks. The dullness of the entire coin. Others can add to this. If you're getting serious about collecting, the first thing you should do is buy a copy of the RedBook. The official title is "A Guidebook of United States Coins" by R.S. Yeoman Whitman Publishing.
     
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  10. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    What VAM is it?…with the parallel arrow feather it is a Reverse of 78, but there are multitudinous VAMs associated with this first year of issue...Spark
     
  11. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

  12. Silvergmen

    Silvergmen SILVER & MORGAN Obsessed

    Welcome to CT! I am new as well and love collecting Morgans. While cleaning is not always easy to recognize, this one is pretty clear to me. You can tell by all the hairline scratches. I grade it XF.
     
  13. UncleScroge

    UncleScroge Well-Known Member

    If the coin had been dipped instead, would that have been acceptable?
     
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  14. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    ...in my view, yes...but only if it was done properly, not over-dipped, and before it was cleaned in any way previously...Spark
     
  15. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    Why wasn't the dirt removed if it was cleaned? Doesn't seem like a very good job. The dirt l see makes me think it wasn't. So explain that.
     
  16. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    It's a cleaning in the sense of an abrasive ( note all the scratches) and likely a jewelery wipe afterwards which won't get the nooks and crannies that a dip would get into. To me it's an old cleaning but it's seen a harsh cleaning no doubt about it.
     
  17. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    NO. In my opinion, no cleaning allowed with the exception of ancients and the necessary removal of crud to determine what lies beneath. For moderns, removal of crud, mud and attached debris is acceptable as long as the "cleaning" does not alter the coin by removing any of its surface. Dipping removes a thin layer from the surface of coins and thereby modifies the appearance depending upon the coin material.
     
  18. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    As I have indicated in previous posts, the only "cleaning" I have done was to apply Nic-a-Date to a number of no date buffalo's because I was nosey.
     
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  19. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    Okay I see the scratches on the obverse, especially on the chin. But I also see the clean area around the two stars to the right of the year, which puzzles me. Anyway, I don't like the coin's look.
     
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  20. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    The answer you are seeking is: the coin may need two or three dips to completely remove the tarnish buildup.
     
  21. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't dip it in anything but maybe a slab. I'm a morgan man and our local numismatist says no no no cleaning. Good luck
     
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