1878 8TF Morgan Dollar VAM....?

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  1. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Is it actually a 22-B?

    This will be my second Morgan, the first one I'll be sending in raw assuming it hasn't been cleaned when I get it in hand. I'm hoping the luster is better than what appears in the pictures. If it's nice might be one for NCS with their new cheaper prices starting Jan 1st.

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  3. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It's a 22 of some sort, all right, but the diagnostic details are in need of much more magnification to be sure which die state it is.
     
  4. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Yea I know it won't zoom at all and CT for some reason won't allow me to post screen shots anymore when I did zoom in.
     
  5. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Well, if you can confirm the breaks at the wingtip next to the D, the one at the second left star, and the clashed letters you're good. The visible die cracks in these pics confirm it as 22.
     
  6. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I'll upload pictures when it arrives, I'm pretty sure it is though.
     
  7. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    I'll bet the luster will be much better than the scanned images relay and I also think it may be a 22B.
     
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  8. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I hope so
     
  9. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    my pictures, luster is booming.

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  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Aw, that's just lovely. :)

    I think 22B is reasonable for it.
     
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  11. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    The obverse crack on the 2nd star doesn't look chunky enough for VAM 22B. Can you get a closeup of that?
     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It seems identical to the feature on the plate coin at VAMworld, which is all most of us have to go on as an attribution aid, although Leroy's detail image has a full-on break there. Another factor in my thinking is the reverse crack between the star and O - on the LDS coin a chip appears which isn't shown on 22A, and this one has it.

    If the plate coin isn't 22B, it ought not be there.
     
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  13. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I see the crack on the star, but it doesn't look as developed as Leroy's photo, which is the standard. The crack on the full picture of the obverse on VW is not big enough to be called VAM 22B.

    Edit: I've clarified the page on VAMWorld.
     
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  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Thank you very, very much. An attribution is only as accurate as the available information. :)
     
  15. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    So still saying it's a 22B? I was going to send it in for attribution since there's only one known at NGC currently.
     
  16. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I have the impression from John that it's 22A, lacking the complete breaks at both D->wing and the second left star. The fact that there's only one at NGC merely hints at the level of respect (not) NGC gets with VAM attribution. 22B does not even appear on the list of VAMs they claim to attribute, and they list a "plain" 22, which does not exist. They're all either 22A or 22B.

    A more important statistic might be the SSDC Census, where 22A's somewhat outnumber 22B's but not by a huge margin.
     
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  17. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    No. 22A. NGC doesn't have a lot of respect in the VAM community. If they list simply VAM 22 in their variety list, it's because that's what is listed in the 8TF guide and Hot 50 books. Calling it VAM 22A didn't come along until much later.
     
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  18. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Looks like it's not going in for grading then.... thanks for saving me a few bucks guys!
     
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