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<p>[QUOTE="lkeigwin, post: 1196552, member: 30400"]This is an interesting thread. There are two primary issues: authenticity and surface condition.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think the coin has been cleaned and this will be cited when it is graded. And I hope it is submitted for grading because a raw 1877 IHC will always be suspect. There are far too many counterfeits.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for authenticity, the reverse appears to have the proper diagnostics. But having it doesn't end any debate because the same reverse die was used throughout the 1860's and even into the early 1870's. Everything else has to line up too.</p><p><br /></p><p>The OP's reverse appears to have Longacre doubling while genuine ones do not. But I think this may just be the photo and shadows (see below).</p><p><br /></p><p>I think I see the common clash marks above the O in ONE. The date does not appear to have been messed with (cool die chip in the upper loop of the 8!). The 7 lower serifs are not boldly square but look pretty good. I am leaning toward genuine.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm curious to hear what PCGS or NGC says. Be sure to share it. And you should make sure the seller will accept a late return if the TPG says "questionable authenticity" (they never say "counterfeit" or "fake" for legal reasons). Be very clear about this now, while you can.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are some images of the diagnositics for genuine 1877's. The last one is the OP's coin.</p><p>Lance.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/cb823cfa.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/2f55c08e.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/adc30536.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/4cee5b81.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/27689cb0.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/b09ff7cc.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/84ee7ad7.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lkeigwin, post: 1196552, member: 30400"]This is an interesting thread. There are two primary issues: authenticity and surface condition. I think the coin has been cleaned and this will be cited when it is graded. And I hope it is submitted for grading because a raw 1877 IHC will always be suspect. There are far too many counterfeits. As for authenticity, the reverse appears to have the proper diagnostics. But having it doesn't end any debate because the same reverse die was used throughout the 1860's and even into the early 1870's. Everything else has to line up too. The OP's reverse appears to have Longacre doubling while genuine ones do not. But I think this may just be the photo and shadows (see below). I think I see the common clash marks above the O in ONE. The date does not appear to have been messed with (cool die chip in the upper loop of the 8!). The 7 lower serifs are not boldly square but look pretty good. I am leaning toward genuine. I'm curious to hear what PCGS or NGC says. Be sure to share it. And you should make sure the seller will accept a late return if the TPG says "questionable authenticity" (they never say "counterfeit" or "fake" for legal reasons). Be very clear about this now, while you can. Here are some images of the diagnositics for genuine 1877's. The last one is the OP's coin. Lance. [IMG]http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/cb823cfa.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/2f55c08e.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/adc30536.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/4cee5b81.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/27689cb0.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/b09ff7cc.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg37/lkeigwin/Not%20my%20stuff/84ee7ad7.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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