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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2426413, member: 24314&quot;]I thought you were a long-time, advanced collector who submits to PCGS and NGC.&nbsp; Apparently, I was mistaken.&nbsp; [USER=4920]@eddiespin[/USER], It may surprise you but I AGREE.&nbsp; I feel that the major grading services should EDUCATE their customers as well as grade their coins and take their money.&nbsp; That said, in my experience that is done on a regular basis by ONLY ONE &quot;second-tier&quot; service.&nbsp; You can prove this to yourself. I suggest members flood the switchboards of ANACS, NGC, ICG, PCGS, and I&#039;ll even include SEGS in this challenge.&nbsp; Note: I forgot about Vance at &quot;Wings&quot; and Rick at &quot;Eagle Eye.&quot;&nbsp; They are not included here as they will both pass this test so please don&#039;t bother them (&quot;Wings&quot; is for foreign coins). </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Challenge: Call one of the TPGS&#039;s above (more than once over the week to get a &quot;real&quot; answer as you may get lucky with one try).&nbsp; Ask to speak with a grader.&nbsp; Then ask about the difference between a recolored Indian, and a cleaned one.&nbsp; Post your results.&nbsp; Did you speak with a grader? Did he/she help you or blow you off? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Now, I&#039;ll tell you why (IMO) what you and I wish for - education - is not done.&nbsp; The TPGS&#039;s are very successful at what they do.&nbsp; No time for education as the graders are very busy.&nbsp; I&#039;ve been told that on some days (especially the younger SE graders) they feel like they work in &quot;sweat-shop&quot; conditions. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As far as PROPERLY labeling a coin as to &quot;details&quot;: Sometimes it really does not matter.&nbsp; Artificial color or artificial toning both kill the coin and limit liability.&nbsp; Ditto for artificial color or cleaning. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Important: </span>Here is something you&#039;ll hear in the basic and advanced grading seminars - depending on who your instructor is: <span style="color: #ff00ff">In most cases</span>, TPGS do not make a distinction between a coin that has been over-dipped, cleaned, etched, buffed, or polished!&nbsp; So you see, I agree with you and think this practice is not good enough.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As for &quot;pretty-grading,&quot; you&#039;ll get no argument here.&nbsp; IT SUCKS and goes against how all us old timers learned/practiced.&nbsp; Unfortunately, the movers and shakers who control the coin business/market evolved &quot;commercial&quot; grading to fit their needs.&nbsp; That&#039;s the way it is done now so I&#039;ll suggest you suck it up, learn what&#039;s pretty, and quit complaining or trying to change things.&nbsp; I HAVE.&nbsp; That&#039;s the reason I originally posted that the OP&#039;s coin LOOKED red and brown.&nbsp; It was pretty.&nbsp; Perhaps, if I had it in my hand in a grading room as professional graders (far above my pay scale) at two major grading services did, it would not be so &quot;pretty.&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I hope many here take the above challenge and call the TPGS this week.&nbsp; I will, <span style="color: #0059b3">but I&#039;m not going to post the results of my calls here UNTIL at least four other well-known members of [USER=4920]@eddiespin[/USER]&#039;s caliber/respect post theirs</span><span style="color: #b300b3">.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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