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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2401252, member: 24314"]QUOTE: "Insider - I actually expected you, or someone like-minded, to "jump" on my previous post. I certainly appreciate your opinion. All subjects have more than one opinion, and this topic is not an exception."</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 0)">Glad I met your expectations. Answers below.</span></p><p> </p><p>QUOTE="jackhd, post: 2401208, member: 73897"]1. I don't speak for SuperDave. I spoke about his recommendations (which I support).[/QUOTE]</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 0)">Of course you don't. SD takes care of himself and all of us quite well! I agree with much of what SD says. Soooooo, If a person has not been playing with coins/chemicals/and methods for a very long time; or a very short time with proper, informed, and experience instruction they should not touch their coins! I learn new things every week. Going to get me an old cigar box and some matches.</span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>2. In your 2nd paragraph, you offer "some hard truths." The next words you write are much more honest, when you add IMO (In My Opinion). That is what you offer. NOT truth, but opinion<span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"> Actually, it is called and experienced opinion</span>. Your opinion, to be exact.<span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0)"> Yes, my experienced opinion.</span> I have offered nothing more, or less than you, my opinion. <span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0)">Your opinion is important and very many people share it. I don't; yet it is nice to chat. I hope I can get you over to my side. It may not seem so but my mind is not closed and there are far more experienced people than myself who I learn from. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 0)">IMO, opinions suck unless they can be backed up by experiment. Example: Many have the opinion that coins are ruined if they are dipped. That's an opinion. Most of those making a claim like that have never learned anything about cleaning coins - YES, I SAID CLEANING - properly. I judge opinions by the history/experience/truth of the person making them. Let me get off the subject for a second and relate something I heard from "the horses mouth." When ANACS was started in the 1970's. They relied on the OPINIONS of many big time dealers concerning the authenticity of coins. Guess what? After about a year, they dropped 70% of the consultants because their OPINIONS did not matter. Read between the lines. That's enough about opinions except for this. Go on any Internet forum look on any topic and in two minutes you'll read something like this from a member: I don't know anything about this but IMO</span>....<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p>That's one of the reasons that forums of all types, allow for differences of opinion. You're are WRONG (again) when you say that the coin "cannot be hurt." <span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0)">Actually, the coin WAS already hurt. It is rapidly improving and perhaps we'll take a look at it when it is finished.</span></p><p> </p><p>To make such a statement is ridiculous, and could encourage an inexperienced collector to make mistakes. <span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0)">As I said before, the coin is no longer original. It is an excellent teaching piece as there is so much to do using different methods. As I said, there are plenty of numismatists who can turn that coin into an object of beauty in a short time as it is not that far gone. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0)">While inexperienced people should not touch their coins, there seems to be plenty of members here to offer help. </span></p><p> </p><p>While it's true the coin, in time, will re-tone, there are still stains on it that will not allow for even toning, and could actually make it look worse. <span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 0)"><span style="color: #b300b3">IMO, this statement is one of the most misinformed things I have read lately.</span> </span>This is one.</p><p> </p><p>And, here's a final thought (from my keyboard, to your eyes): Shiny is not necessarily better in numismatics. Original and shiny - YES! Not original (<i>like when you make it shiny</i>) NOT SO MUCH. <span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 0)">Actually, the coin is FAR from shiny. We just have a different concept of the term "shiny."</span> Again I speak from my personal experiences. I don't profess to have all the answers. Most assuredly, neither do you. <span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 0)">True. Never said I did either. </span>Perhaps we can both share our opinions and in the process increase our knowledge, and, maybe help someone along the way. Jack<span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 0)"> Well said Jack!<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie60" alt=":kiss:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/jackhd.73897/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/jackhd.73897/">jackhd</a>, <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/page-3#post-2401208" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/page-3#post-2401208">Today at 9:43 PM</a> <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2401208/report" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2401208/report">Report</a> <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2401208/best-answer" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2401208/best-answer">Best Answer</a></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/page-3#post-2401208" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/page-3#post-2401208">#46</a> <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2401208/like" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2401208/like">Like</a> <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/reply?quote=2401208" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/reply?quote=2401208">+ Quote</a> <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/reply?quote=2401208" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/reply?quote=2401208">Reply</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2401252, member: 24314"]QUOTE: "Insider - I actually expected you, or someone like-minded, to "jump" on my previous post. I certainly appreciate your opinion. All subjects have more than one opinion, and this topic is not an exception." [COLOR=rgb(51, 102, 0)]Glad I met your expectations. Answers below.[/COLOR] QUOTE="jackhd, post: 2401208, member: 73897"]1. I don't speak for SuperDave. I spoke about his recommendations (which I support).[/QUOTE] [COLOR=rgb(51, 102, 0)]Of course you don't. SD takes care of himself and all of us quite well! I agree with much of what SD says. Soooooo, If a person has not been playing with coins/chemicals/and methods for a very long time; or a very short time with proper, informed, and experience instruction they should not touch their coins! I learn new things every week. Going to get me an old cigar box and some matches.[/COLOR] ;) 2. In your 2nd paragraph, you offer "some hard truths." The next words you write are much more honest, when you add IMO (In My Opinion). That is what you offer. NOT truth, but opinion[COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 0)] Actually, it is called and experienced opinion[/COLOR]. Your opinion, to be exact.[COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 0)] Yes, my experienced opinion.[/COLOR] I have offered nothing more, or less than you, my opinion. [COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 0)]Your opinion is important and very many people share it. I don't; yet it is nice to chat. I hope I can get you over to my side. It may not seem so but my mind is not closed and there are far more experienced people than myself who I learn from. [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(51, 102, 0)]IMO, opinions suck unless they can be backed up by experiment. Example: Many have the opinion that coins are ruined if they are dipped. That's an opinion. Most of those making a claim like that have never learned anything about cleaning coins - YES, I SAID CLEANING - properly. I judge opinions by the history/experience/truth of the person making them. Let me get off the subject for a second and relate something I heard from "the horses mouth." When ANACS was started in the 1970's. They relied on the OPINIONS of many big time dealers concerning the authenticity of coins. Guess what? After about a year, they dropped 70% of the consultants because their OPINIONS did not matter. Read between the lines. That's enough about opinions except for this. Go on any Internet forum look on any topic and in two minutes you'll read something like this from a member: I don't know anything about this but IMO[/COLOR]....:facepalm::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: That's one of the reasons that forums of all types, allow for differences of opinion. You're are WRONG (again) when you say that the coin "cannot be hurt." [COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 0)]Actually, the coin WAS already hurt. It is rapidly improving and perhaps we'll take a look at it when it is finished.[/COLOR] To make such a statement is ridiculous, and could encourage an inexperienced collector to make mistakes. [COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 0)]As I said before, the coin is no longer original. It is an excellent teaching piece as there is so much to do using different methods. As I said, there are plenty of numismatists who can turn that coin into an object of beauty in a short time as it is not that far gone. [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 0)]While inexperienced people should not touch their coins, there seems to be plenty of members here to offer help. [/COLOR] While it's true the coin, in time, will re-tone, there are still stains on it that will not allow for even toning, and could actually make it look worse. [COLOR=rgb(51, 102, 0)][COLOR=#b300b3]IMO, this statement is one of the most misinformed things I have read lately.[/COLOR] [/COLOR]This is one. And, here's a final thought (from my keyboard, to your eyes): Shiny is not necessarily better in numismatics. Original and shiny - YES! Not original ([I]like when you make it shiny[/I]) NOT SO MUCH. [COLOR=rgb(51, 102, 0)]Actually, the coin is FAR from shiny. We just have a different concept of the term "shiny."[/COLOR] Again I speak from my personal experiences. I don't profess to have all the answers. Most assuredly, neither do you. [COLOR=rgb(51, 102, 0)]True. Never said I did either. [/COLOR]Perhaps we can both share our opinions and in the process increase our knowledge, and, maybe help someone along the way. Jack[COLOR=rgb(51, 102, 0)] Well said Jack!:kiss:[/COLOR] [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/members/jackhd.73897/']jackhd[/URL], [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/page-3#post-2401208']Today at 9:43 PM[/URL] [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2401208/report']Report[/URL] [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2401208/best-answer']Best Answer[/URL] [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/page-3#post-2401208']#46[/URL] [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/posts/2401208/like']Like[/URL] [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/reply?quote=2401208']+ Quote[/URL] [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1876-trade-dollar-get-it-cleaned.276689/reply?quote=2401208']Reply[/URL][/QUOTE]
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