1875 20 cent coin CC vs 1875 no mintmark 20 cent coin

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  1. Nick Cheripka

    Nick Cheripka New Member

    Why is the 1875 cc the most sought after 20 cent piece from that year, while the Philadelphia one has a way lower mintage?
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  3. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    CC mint marks are coveted by collectors. Plus, many of the 75 CC coins might never have made it into circulation. Thus, supply of the CC with a higher mintage is harder to come by for collectors.
  4. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Collectors are attracted to the “CC” mint mark; the Philadelphia coins are “ordinary and commonplace.”
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  5. Penna_Boy

    Penna_Boy Just a nobody from the past

    I have a '75 CC. Don't know why collectors prefer it other than the CC mint mark.
  6. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It’s like the 1884 CC Morgan. There are nearly 1 MILLION extant BU examples, yet they still go for hundreds of dollars. Collectors see that CC mintmark and go crazy.
  7. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Add to that a great many 1875-CC Twenty Cent Pieces are weakly struck on the upper part of the eagle's left wing and the corrisponding area on shield on the obverse. This one is "hammered," but the color is funky. I have not been able to upgrade it.

    1875-CC 20 Cent O.jpg 1875-CC 20 Cent R.jpg
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  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    For older coins, mint marked coins often have a higher desirability than "blank" ones. I was going to make some snarky comments about wanting a gold piece mint marked "C" or "D", and when I flipped my old (2011) red book open I found...

    Half Eagles 1870
    Mint Mintage VF-20
    Phil 4,000 $700
    CC 7,675 $8,500
    S 17,000 $850

    Probably lots of reasons, none of which I know
  9. Penna_Boy

    Penna_Boy Just a nobody from the past

    Yep Kentucky, I own several CC gold pieces and not a one came cheaply. And neither do I know the reason for this unless it is the "wild West' thing.
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  10. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    Vn = D/A

    Numismatic value = Demand / Availability
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Most collectors go ape over a CC mintmark.
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  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I am really drawn to the Dahlonega mint mark and to a lesser extent the Charlotte one. The rest, I can take it or leave it depending upon how I feel about the individual coin. Perhaps if I were to visit the Carson City Mint, I'd feel differently, but it's just never been a high priority with me. I only own one piece of Carson City gold, a $5 dollar piece as part of an all mint $5 gold collection.
  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    There are a few collectors drawn to those two mints and I can understand why.
  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You also have to consider that in the 19th century, for the most part collectors paid no attention to mintmarks. Most of the collectors were either on the east cost or at least the eastern half of the US, and typical collector activity was to contct the mint each year and get an example of that years coinage. This means that even for those years where the Philadelphia mintages are lower, the survival rates were HIGHER than the higher mintage branch mints.

    Take Kentucky's example of the 1870 half eagle. The low mintage Philadelphia probably had a high survival rate so it is inexpensive, San Francisco had a high mintage so more of them survived, but the CC had a mid range mintage and a low survival rate so there are few examples still around today and the price is high.
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  15. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    The branch minted coins in the west were circulated and used, since coins of any denomination were in short supply most of the time.
  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I do have to admit that I searched e-bay for a CC dime just to have one.
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  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I completely understand why. Last year on my way home from a rock, gem, mineral and fossils show and sale I stopped by a coin shop. Not exactly user-friendly and it's over an hour from the house so I only stop when I go to the show but I have gotten a few nice buys there.

    He had a CC Morgan, I forget the date, in his junk silver dollar pile. I was able to pick that one up for $17.00 so I was s happy camper. It's worn but it's nice and the CC is clear.
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  18. Murphy45p

    Murphy45p Active Member

    Well, you can't have a complete set of mint marks without a CC obviously. It's the old west, tied to the comstock lode. Plus, its the only double letter mintmark.
  19. Murphy45p

    Murphy45p Active Member

    Would you be so kind as to educate me a little? My eye says the obverse looks cleaner than the reverse, would you concur? Was it the reverse die? The T in States and the O in of, die wear? Because obviously no circulation is evident. How about the dimple under the eagle's wing, looking at it straight on its the wing to my left.

    My amateur eyes would lead me to believe these were all die related, is that correct?

    Very well struck coin and amazingly clean fields. Especially considering the coin is 144 years old.
  20. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    It's an MS-62 graded coin with funky color. One would expect some hits given that grade. You can't expect something that is "almost perfect" with no hits on any of the letters or fields until you get a Choice MS-64 graded coin.
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  21. Murphy45p

    Murphy45p Active Member

    I understand that, but my question is the cause of them. I certainly wasn't criticizing the coin, it's a GREAT coin, just questioning whether my assessment of the marks was correct or if it was something else. Just wanting to learn. Was it the die or something else?

    Plus, without the magnification, those marks would all be hidden to my eyes.
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