1874 three cent double die ?

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  1. David Colquhoun

    David Colquhoun Active Member

    Was looking over this coin with a ×17.5 magnifier and it looks like doubling on states of America but I'm not sure.Look at OF
    Please comment 1550330818738-2056264656.jpg 1550330872141127130003.jpg 1550330960214-2055324998.jpg 1550331003126-417105506.jpg
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    From those images, what I see is machine doubling.

    Chris
     
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  4. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Not to disagree with Chris but it looks to me like residue from some type of cleaning paste.
     
  5. David Colquhoun

    David Colquhoun Active Member

    I just can't get a good photo of it but it's definitely doubling 1550333402052-408884410.jpg 1550334122642-2055324998.jpg 1550334177368-417105506.jpg 1550333402052-408884410.jpg 1550334122642-2055324998.jpg 1550334177368-417105506.jpg
     
  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    What I'm seeing appears to be a combination of the coins toning and light. It's strong in one area but disappears then shows up again.
     
  7. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    There is something showing in "OF" but I really can't say what it is. Perhaps you might need to take it to a dealer for some kind of confirmation. I know you are trying hard to show this but it seems to be as CN says above.
     
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  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    As stated it is machine doubling.There is a ddo in this series not this date.
     
  9. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    I always wonder what’s the big deal if 10x or higher magnification is needed to see doubling.
     
  10. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Looks like Longacre doubling
     
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  11. David Colquhoun

    David Colquhoun Active Member

    I do see your point Micbraun ,but this coin is 17.9 mm in diameter and is from the 1800s .when I get my new microscope and hook it up to my computer I will post better photos.The boublng i
     
  12. David Colquhoun

    David Colquhoun Active Member

    ...sorry .The doubling is worn and I don't have good light or magnifcation to show it
     
  13. Shrews1994

    Shrews1994 Collecting is my passion.

    Longacre doubling. It's on my 3 cent coin too.
     
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  14. cpm9ball

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    @TypeCoin971793

    Longacre Doubling is often associated with IHC's, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all doubling on IHC's is Longacre Doubling. I still think this is just a simple case of machine doubling.

    Chris
     
  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    It is often seen on any coin Longacre designed, including IHCs, 3CNs, and gold dollars.

    Here is an 1874 3CN from PCGS CoinFacts:

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    This quite clearly displays Longacre doubling.
     
  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Correct as he double cut the lettering to make the die last longer from wearing out. Nickel was one of the hardest alloys used at that time, pryor to most coinage was struck in silver or softer medals .
    Dies used to strike in nickel had about < 10,000 strikes before they exploded.
     
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  17. David Colquhoun

    David Colquhoun Active Member

    Yes paddy I here you but he didn't double cut all coins so not sure if this is just a theory or a trial of coins or something.
     
  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    No he believed if he cut the letters deeper the die would last longer, however until this time peroid all coins were struck in soft medals, gold, silver ,and copper.
    Nickel even allowed with copper was extremely hard to strike.
    Look at shield nickels, nickel three cent pieces, die cracks, cuds, clashes galore!
    Est. die life of a shield nickel less than 10,000 strikes have a look at early shields and do the math of just how many matched pairs it took to mint 1868 quotas needed .
     
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  19. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Agreed with longacre doubling. Also, you need better lighting if you’re going to get solid feedback from us. And don’t use zoom on your camera. The magnification provided by your loupe is more than sufficient.
     
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