1871 Seated Liberty Ef?

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  1. mlgdave

    mlgdave Member

    thoughts to Ef or not and potential worth? Thanks!
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  3. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    It's a bit tough to see all of the detail, but it lookf at least XF from what I can see. In XF it is worth about $600-650, but AU seated dollars are almost worth double what an XF is worth. Some better, brighter images would be needed to make that determination.
  4. mlgdave

    mlgdave Member

    heres a close up of the date and liberty as well as feathers, I know my lighting is a tad off
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  5. akajcw95

    akajcw95 Member

    I'd say a strong VF with a cleaning. I usually like to buy ones like this for around $250.00-$300.00.
  6. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    At the risk of being known as the guy who thinks everything is bad; I think the piece is counterfeit.
  7. mlgdave

    mlgdave Member

    if your thinking that is it from the color? the color is way off and its not accurately portrayed
  8. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    I understand the color is off. The piece looks counterfeit to me.
  9. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    This coin scares me a bit...

    The design detailing just isn't at par with an authentic Seated dollar, and everything just looks a bit "mushy".

    Not saying it's fake, because your pics aren't good enough to determine that - I'm just seeing red flags.
  10. mlgdave

    mlgdave Member

    ill do better piks tomorrow
  11. Joe2007

    Joe2007 Well-Known Member

    Since I'm a newbie here I decided to wait for some more opinions before weighing in with my observations. I agree with iGradeMS70 and TomB, this Seated Dollar just looks off to me. The 1871s that I have seen tend to be weak strikes but this appears to be the weakest I have seen especially on the obverse.
  12. mlgdave

    mlgdave Member

    better pictures of it

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  13. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I hate to be one to jump on a bandwagon, but I agree with mushiness. There simply appears to be not enough crisp detail that the small amount of wear would account for.

    OP, how did you acquire the piece? When did you acquire it? We are not trying to be overly critical, its just these have been coming out of China quite a bit.

    It is very hard to make this judgment from pics, though. Bad pics can make any good coin look "off", so we are just exploring the options right now.
  14. mlgdave

    mlgdave Member

    I own a gold and silver buying store, it came in this week

  15. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Is its weight correct? Diameter? Even weight and diameter will not prove its correct, but it will prove if its incorrect. The problem with silver is its so easy to mimic its SG with cheap metals.

    I am just saying I go to asian markets, and in many of them I can buy this coin in pot metal for a few cents every day of the week. This coin is not as highly counterfeited as US, French, and British trade dollars, or Chinese silver dollars, but they are available everywhere.

    If you are not an expert in this series, I would highly suggest going to a large show to show someone in person who is, or spending the little bit of money and send to any TPG service.

  16. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    Oddly enough, I currently have an 1871 Seated Liberty dollar for sale on my website. The coin is graded by PCGS as MS63. This post is not meant as SPAM, but rather is meant to show some points I am picking up on your piece.

    1) Your piece has what appears to be surface graininess throughout, this can be very common on counterfeits and is not typically present on legitimate coins unless they are corroded or struck from rusted dies or rusted planchets.

    2) The date on your piece is not using the style of numbers that I am familiar with for this issue. Look at the numbers closely and compare their thickness and overall dimensions to the numbers in the linked image. They do not match.

    3) The overall profile of Ms. Liberty looks off, the style of the stars looks off, the dentils looks off and the eagle's claws seem odd.

    Obviously, I have not seen this in-hand, but the images are telling me the piece is no good. Below is a link to my 1871-

  17. mlgdave

    mlgdave Member

    I do deal with one of the largest silver dollar dealers in the nation, he is an expert and I posted this more for what you would grade it as. I have tested the diameter and its dead on, I have weighed it and its 4 grams light and I have tested the metal content and its nickel based. I was out of town when my employee bought it, and he only paid silver value for it, so a 20.00 lesson indeed. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD! This site is invaluable!

  18. mlgdave

    mlgdave Member

    The other thing is the crack in the die going up through the "u" in Trust!

    Thanks guys!

  19. easj3699

    easj3699 Well-Known Member

    if you own a gold and silver buying store isnt the second thing you do test for the metal after putting a magnet to it? i would consider teaching your employee
  20. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Well sorry that you got taken for a bit, it would have been a good score. At least it wasn't a very expensive lesson. Keep us in mind when any other coins come in, we would love to see them.
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