1871 seated dollar inquiry real or fake

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  1. Profit man

    Profit man Active Member

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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Fake. Not even a good fake. Looks like a low end cast counterfeit.
     
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  4. Profit man

    Profit man Active Member

    It’s real silver tho
     
  5. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    So? Does not mean that it isn’t a low quality fake. The reverse is ridiculously bad. Proportions are all wrong. Date is incorrect on obverse. Beijing’s less finest.
     
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  6. QuintupleSovereign

    QuintupleSovereign Well-Known Member

    Looks off to me; the letters seem to be smudged and sloppily applied.
     
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  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Her face, the date and the wear pattern look strange. I'm shocked it's made of silver.
     
  8. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Unwell Unknown Unmembered

    It is the infamous "Walrus Nose" variety from the Shenzhen 深圳 mint.
     
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  9. Randy Abercrombie

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    100% counterfeit.
     
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  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Note to all...

    Please quit calling these crude fakes from China CASTINGS! Cast counterfeits fell out of favor a very long time ago! 99.9% of the US counterfeits made in the last decades are DIE STRUCK! I cannot even remember the last cast counterfeit I saw that was not made decades ago.
     
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  11. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    How did you test it?
     
  12. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    The best description is crudely struck, in my opinion.
     
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  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Looks off to me. If just doesn’t look like a real one but all I have is a photo.
     
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  14. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    .. and there's no motto on the rev.
     
  15. Jeffjay

    Jeffjay Well-Known Member

    If it's silver it's worth melt and that's what should be done to it because it is bogus.
     
  16. NLL

    NLL Well-Known Member

    I doubt the coin is silver. At best it has silver plating. Try using a magnet on the coin. There is a good chance it will stick.
     
  17. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Fake,doubt it's made of silver but possible.
     
  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Obvious Chinese fake.
    ROFL. She does have a rather large schnoz there, doesn't she?
    Yep! Though this detail eluded me at first glance. They paired what purports to be a No Motto reverse (pre-1866, on real coins) with an obverse dated "1871". Which should have properly been paired with the Motto reverse.
     
  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I agree. I'm even dubious of the silver content.
     
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  20. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Morgandude11, posted: "The best description is crudely struck, in my opinion."


    Exactly.
    I was just clarifying what you posted and did not do a very good job. :( You never said it was a cast and I did not make that clear enough to other members.

    This is exactly what went on in the late 1960s and early 1970s when I was a rookie authenticator. It seemed as if everyone - even the most well known coin authenticator of the time - was calling the crude, newly struck gold counterfeit coins on the market castings! That's because they looked die cast.

    Although their fakes were fooling most people; it was explained to me, that the best counterfeiters had the exact same coining press but their coins looked horrible (to a trained authenticator) because they did not use the same die preparation or steel; did not know the correct press tonnage; and did not use the same alloy of gold. At the time, the Mint kept any technical information about their process secret.
     
  21. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Looks like Chinese copy to me. If there is any silver it, it would be a change in policy for the Chinese counterfeiters. The date and the overall look are all wrong. Not genuine.

    Edited to say that the "no motto" type on the reverse ends any discussion. The mint was not even making pattern pieces like that.
     
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