Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Profit man, Dec 4, 2021.
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It’s real silver tho
So? Does not mean that it isn’t a low quality fake. The reverse is ridiculously bad. Proportions are all wrong. Date is incorrect on obverse. Beijing’s less finest.
It is the infamous "Walrus Nose" variety from the Shenzhen 深圳 mint.
Note to all...
Please quit calling these crude fakes from China CASTINGS! Cast counterfeits fell out of favor a very long time ago! 99.9% of the US counterfeits made in the last decades are DIE STRUCK! I cannot even remember the last cast counterfeit I saw that was not made decades ago.
How did you test it?
The best description is crudely struck, in my opinion.
ROFL. She does have a rather large schnoz there, doesn't she?
Yep! Though this detail eluded me at first glance. They paired what purports to be a No Motto reverse (pre-1866, on real coins) with an obverse dated "1871". Which should have properly been paired with the Motto reverse.
I agree. I'm even dubious of the silver content.
crudely struck, in my opinion."
Exactly. I was just clarifying what you posted and did not do a very good job. You never said it was a cast and I did not make that clear enough to other members.
This is exactly what went on in the late 1960s and early 1970s when I was a rookie authenticator. It seemed as if everyone - even the most well known coin authenticator of the time - was calling the crude, newly struck gold counterfeit coins on the market castings! That's because they looked die cast.
Although their fakes were fooling most people; it was explained to me, that the best counterfeiters had the exact same coining press but their coins looked horrible (to a trained authenticator) because they did not use the same die preparation or steel; did not know the correct press tonnage; and did not use the same alloy of gold. At the time, the Mint kept any technical information about their process secret.
Edited to say that the "no motto" type on the reverse ends any discussion. The mint was not even making pattern pieces like that.
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