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<p>[QUOTE="calcol, post: 4715640, member: 77639"]Patterns are difficult and tricky. Many have only 10-20 known. There are far more pattern designs than designs put on circulating coins through the 20th century. Maybe even more than those coins plus the classic commemoratives. I would guess the exemplar sets of PCGS and NGC don't have a lot patterns in them. Whether they have resident experts on patterns I don't know.</p><p><br /></p><p>One thing I fault them on is that for patterns of the same design but of lookalike metals ... 90% silver versus goloid, for example ... they pretty much take the word of the submitter as to composition. What they should do for these coins is require the submitter to pay for metal analysis, which then goes on the label in addition to the Judd number. And yes, I know of coins given wrong Judd numbers because of a lack of metal analysis by the TPG.</p><p><br /></p><p>Any time I see a coin in the various series made in both goloid and 90% silver, but with no metal analysis on the slab label, I think of the Judd number as fiction. Heritage has started including a disclaimer when it sells some of these coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Goloid versus 90% silver is just one example. There are pairs or triplets of other lookalike alloys that were used for a particular design ... copper alloys, for example.</p><p><br /></p><p>BTW, although it might not be obvious from reading their guarantees, NGC and PCGS don't guarantee Judd numbers.</p><p><br /></p><p>Cal[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="calcol, post: 4715640, member: 77639"]Patterns are difficult and tricky. Many have only 10-20 known. There are far more pattern designs than designs put on circulating coins through the 20th century. Maybe even more than those coins plus the classic commemoratives. I would guess the exemplar sets of PCGS and NGC don't have a lot patterns in them. Whether they have resident experts on patterns I don't know. One thing I fault them on is that for patterns of the same design but of lookalike metals ... 90% silver versus goloid, for example ... they pretty much take the word of the submitter as to composition. What they should do for these coins is require the submitter to pay for metal analysis, which then goes on the label in addition to the Judd number. And yes, I know of coins given wrong Judd numbers because of a lack of metal analysis by the TPG. Any time I see a coin in the various series made in both goloid and 90% silver, but with no metal analysis on the slab label, I think of the Judd number as fiction. Heritage has started including a disclaimer when it sells some of these coins. Goloid versus 90% silver is just one example. There are pairs or triplets of other lookalike alloys that were used for a particular design ... copper alloys, for example. BTW, although it might not be obvious from reading their guarantees, NGC and PCGS don't guarantee Judd numbers. Cal[/QUOTE]
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