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<p>[QUOTE="howards, post: 2508079, member: 299"]We are getting hung up on labels somewhat. I think my use of the word "fatigue" is causing some of that because it appears that you are correlating fatigue with length of service of the die. Also, your use of "deterioration" further confuses the issue. This is not gradual deterioration I'm talking about. Let's just try to talk about the process and forget about a good name for it for the moment.</p><p><br /></p><p>The mint had tremendous difficulty striking shield nickels. Dies were poorly prepared, and the hard and thick planchets caused extra stress on the dies. One of the points at which this extra stress particularly manifests itself is along the edge of devices. A device is a hole in a die. Hard metal planchets being forced into these holes caused stress on the edge of the holes. This stress caused failures in the die along the edge of holes, manifesting as spikes such as we see on the coin in question here.</p><p><br /></p><p>The reason you don't see this commonly on other series is that there is no other series that combines extra thick and hard planchets with poorly prepared dies. Remember that the mint had almost no experience with planchets of the nickel composition (75% copper, 25% nickel). The only previous experience with planchets of this composition was the 3-cent nickel, starting one year earlier than shield nickels. But the 3-cent nickel was a much thinner and smaller planchet, and did not cause the same kind of trouble for the mint.</p><p><br /></p><p>(Couple asides for other readers: 1) The reason for the use of such hard planchets was that Joseph Wharton (of Wharton Business School fame) had lots of friends in Congress, and Wharton owned a nickel mine. 2) The difficulties with shield nickel dies are also manifested in the huge number of varieties (due to hastily prepared dies), and the frequency of die cracks/breaks on shield nickels.)</p><p><br /></p><p>It is quite possible that die spikes similar to the coin in question could happen on fresh dies. Die cracks formed on very early die stages - no reason these spikes could not as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't know what you mean by "spikes most go in the direction of the radials." To clarify further, I don't know what you mean by radials, don't know what direction they would take, and therefore don't understand any connection to these die spikes.</p><p><br /></p><p>I also can't see any reason to call these spikes "tooling." Tooling (at least to me) implies deliberate manipulation of the die by mint workers, and I can't imagine any reason for deliberately introducing spikes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Fletcher calls some die features "die gouges," and I agree with him on those dies where he calls that out (example: 1874 F-05). I don't recall anywhere in Fletcher where he addresses spikes emanating from devices as die gouges (if you have a place, please point me to it - Fletcher is not easy to search for something like that).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="howards, post: 2508079, member: 299"]We are getting hung up on labels somewhat. I think my use of the word "fatigue" is causing some of that because it appears that you are correlating fatigue with length of service of the die. Also, your use of "deterioration" further confuses the issue. This is not gradual deterioration I'm talking about. Let's just try to talk about the process and forget about a good name for it for the moment. The mint had tremendous difficulty striking shield nickels. Dies were poorly prepared, and the hard and thick planchets caused extra stress on the dies. One of the points at which this extra stress particularly manifests itself is along the edge of devices. A device is a hole in a die. Hard metal planchets being forced into these holes caused stress on the edge of the holes. This stress caused failures in the die along the edge of holes, manifesting as spikes such as we see on the coin in question here. The reason you don't see this commonly on other series is that there is no other series that combines extra thick and hard planchets with poorly prepared dies. Remember that the mint had almost no experience with planchets of the nickel composition (75% copper, 25% nickel). The only previous experience with planchets of this composition was the 3-cent nickel, starting one year earlier than shield nickels. But the 3-cent nickel was a much thinner and smaller planchet, and did not cause the same kind of trouble for the mint. (Couple asides for other readers: 1) The reason for the use of such hard planchets was that Joseph Wharton (of Wharton Business School fame) had lots of friends in Congress, and Wharton owned a nickel mine. 2) The difficulties with shield nickel dies are also manifested in the huge number of varieties (due to hastily prepared dies), and the frequency of die cracks/breaks on shield nickels.) It is quite possible that die spikes similar to the coin in question could happen on fresh dies. Die cracks formed on very early die stages - no reason these spikes could not as well. I don't know what you mean by "spikes most go in the direction of the radials." To clarify further, I don't know what you mean by radials, don't know what direction they would take, and therefore don't understand any connection to these die spikes. I also can't see any reason to call these spikes "tooling." Tooling (at least to me) implies deliberate manipulation of the die by mint workers, and I can't imagine any reason for deliberately introducing spikes. Fletcher calls some die features "die gouges," and I agree with him on those dies where he calls that out (example: 1874 F-05). I don't recall anywhere in Fletcher where he addresses spikes emanating from devices as die gouges (if you have a place, please point me to it - Fletcher is not easy to search for something like that).[/QUOTE]
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