1866-S No Motto Half Dollar, Thoughts?

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  1. jhinton

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  3. Luster_Bump

    Luster_Bump New Member

    Awesome detail! My favorite design. Hard to tell but it looks to have been cleaned at some point, but definitely has AU detail. Very nice.
     
  4. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    My thoughts are, that's a really nice specimen & I wouldn't mind having one like it. Lots of detail! Is it yours?
     
  5. jhinton

    jhinton Well-Known Member

    Yes, picked it up last week.
     
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  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The surfaces look really strange. It's been worked on.
     
  7. jhinton

    jhinton Well-Known Member

    I agree, they look strange to me but cant put my finger on it. It could be a nice coin but I paid expecting the worst.
     
  8. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The more I look at it, I believe it's fake. Look at the reverse rim.
     
  9. Legomaster1

    Legomaster1 Cointalk Patron

    I see what you mean- the dentils on the reverse appear more jagged.
     
  10. jhinton

    jhinton Well-Known Member

    I thought the same thing at first, then I found pictures like this one in pcgs holders around the same grade. Plus it has the die break in the shield that matches good. The coin in hand dosent have denticals that sharp, think some of that is my picture.
     

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  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I have similar concerns. I don't like the shape of the dentiles in the 4 k area on the reverse.

    Regardless, the surfaces been rubbed or cleaned for sure.

    I know that this is a Proof, which makes a difference, but artwork came from the same source (master hub), and somehow, that piece does not look right.

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  13. C-B-D

    C-B-D U.S. Type Coins or death!

    Why post a dollar and not a half dollar like the OP coins? Proportionally, it's like comparing apples to granola bars.
     
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  14. jhinton

    jhinton Well-Known Member

    Someone on the CU forum said it looks like it might have been a dug coin that was cleaned. I think he nailed it.
    I only paid $40 for it, didnt even realize it was a no motto until I got the collection home...
     
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  15. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It has that look. If true, someone did a lot of work on it. It's worth $40.
     
  16. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Cleaned. The bright areas in the fields and on the high points, and then the dark areas around the stars, date, any crevices. VF/XF details. Reverse is nicer.
    If genuine, then I agree on a metal detecting find that was improperly cleaned.
     
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  17. jhinton

    jhinton Well-Known Member

    Nah still worth more. It's a scarce coin. I'm sending it to pcgs next week, interested to see what they call it.
     
  18. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    60,000 minted. I wonder what the survival rate is.
    Is it genuine?
     
  19. jhinton

    jhinton Well-Known Member

    Pcgs has the survival rate at about 600.
    I'm. 99% sure it is authentic, also believe it was cleaned harshly in the past but still has some nice eye appeal. (My pictures make it seemed more washed out than it is in person)
    I'm expecting a xf details grade.
     
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  20. jhinton

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  21. GenX Enthusiast

    GenX Enthusiast Forensic grammatician

    Glad you're sending it in, I really don't want it to be fake. Great reverse, despite the surface buzz.
     
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