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<p>[QUOTE="stldanceartist, post: 1213762, member: 13307"]I do have two questions that may or may not cause some to get defensive - but I will ask them because I want to hear the thought process. I'm not meaning to offend or attack here - so please don't take it as such!</p><p><br /></p><p>1. When the coin photos were posted (post-cleaning) there was a suggestion that the "negative" effects (I say this because not all agree that the effects were negative) could be reversed or overcome by placing the coin in an older album with a high sulfur content. To me, the motivation for doing that would be "I have a coin that has a problem, but I can hide it by doing this." Is that not intentionally changing the appearance of the coin to make it more attractive? Honestly, I have been getting some better IHC and I just wanted an attractive album to put them in...I wasn't thinking, "Oh, no! I have to find a way to cover up what I've done!"</p><p><br /></p><p>2. Charmy, I absolutely respect the knowledge that you bring to the table as a coin dealer (especially copper) - and my questions for her (and others who may be dealers) are: why do you clean your coins? What coins do you clean, and what coins do you avoid cleaning? Finally, do you ever clean coins with the intention of improving their appearance in order to sell them? I totally realize that these questions could be misinterpreted as accusatory - and they are not. I'm approaching this in an effort to better understand the specific thought process of a person that buys and sells coins for a living. There is no "trap" I'm waiting to spring with the information taken from your answers.</p><p><br /></p><p>3. Should products that are advertised for coin conservation/cleaning have ingredients on the label? Should coin shops only carry products that they are knowledgeable about and warn customers on the possible negative effects a product could have on their coins? Read through the label information from my bottle of MS70 and tell me whether you believe it says anything about turning copper coins blue. Should a company be liable for perceived damage to a coins appearance if used according to their directions? (And by saying this I'm not saying that I believe the coin is ruined.) </p><p><br /></p><p>I'll read specifically from the label of MS70 here:</p><p><br /></p><p>MS 70</p><p>"Industrial strength" </p><p>Coin Brightener</p><p><br /></p><p>Safe to use on:</p><p><br /></p><p>Gold ~ Silver ~ Nickel</p><p>Copper ~ Bronze ~ Brass</p><p><br /></p><p>Contains no acid</p><p>Does not give your coin that "dipped" look</p><p><br /></p><p>MS70 does not change the color of your coin but does remove surface contamination and tarnish. MS70 will allow the natural beauty of the original surface to show as bright as the day your coin left the mint.</p><p><br /></p><p>MS70 was designed to be used on mint state or proof coins but does wonders on AU or slightly used coins, restoring the brilliant surfaces that remain under the tarnish and years of surface contamination that has accumulated on your coin. Surface contamination is PVC, tarnish, fog, oil, dirt, etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>Directions for use:</p><p><br /></p><p>MS70 is NOT a dip and will not work by dipping your coin. Apply MS70 directly to coin or soak a Q-tip in MS70 to gently apply to coin. Allow a few seconds for MS70 to penetrate the contaminants on the coin then gently "massage" the surface of the coin with a Q-tip which has been soaked in MS70. Thoroughly rinse coin in water. Note: When using on copper do a few "test coins" to become familiar with how product works.</p><p><br /></p><p>Keep out of reach of children.</p><p>Caution: contains strong cleaners</p><p><br /></p><p>First aid data</p><p>Skin: Contact can cause irritation, flush exposed area with tap water for 15 minutes. If irritation persists, consult a physician.</p><p>Eyes: Can cause irritation or damage to eye tissue. In the event of eye contact flush exposed area with water for at least 15 minutes and contact a physician immediately.</p><p>Ingestion: Can cause severe tissue damage to mouth, esophagus, and stomach. Do not induce vomiting. Drink large amounts of milk. Consult physician immediately.</p><p><br /></p><p>Betterbilt Chemicals (909) 392-3111[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="stldanceartist, post: 1213762, member: 13307"]I do have two questions that may or may not cause some to get defensive - but I will ask them because I want to hear the thought process. I'm not meaning to offend or attack here - so please don't take it as such! 1. When the coin photos were posted (post-cleaning) there was a suggestion that the "negative" effects (I say this because not all agree that the effects were negative) could be reversed or overcome by placing the coin in an older album with a high sulfur content. To me, the motivation for doing that would be "I have a coin that has a problem, but I can hide it by doing this." Is that not intentionally changing the appearance of the coin to make it more attractive? Honestly, I have been getting some better IHC and I just wanted an attractive album to put them in...I wasn't thinking, "Oh, no! I have to find a way to cover up what I've done!" 2. Charmy, I absolutely respect the knowledge that you bring to the table as a coin dealer (especially copper) - and my questions for her (and others who may be dealers) are: why do you clean your coins? What coins do you clean, and what coins do you avoid cleaning? Finally, do you ever clean coins with the intention of improving their appearance in order to sell them? I totally realize that these questions could be misinterpreted as accusatory - and they are not. I'm approaching this in an effort to better understand the specific thought process of a person that buys and sells coins for a living. There is no "trap" I'm waiting to spring with the information taken from your answers. 3. Should products that are advertised for coin conservation/cleaning have ingredients on the label? Should coin shops only carry products that they are knowledgeable about and warn customers on the possible negative effects a product could have on their coins? Read through the label information from my bottle of MS70 and tell me whether you believe it says anything about turning copper coins blue. Should a company be liable for perceived damage to a coins appearance if used according to their directions? (And by saying this I'm not saying that I believe the coin is ruined.) I'll read specifically from the label of MS70 here: MS 70 "Industrial strength" Coin Brightener Safe to use on: Gold ~ Silver ~ Nickel Copper ~ Bronze ~ Brass Contains no acid Does not give your coin that "dipped" look MS70 does not change the color of your coin but does remove surface contamination and tarnish. MS70 will allow the natural beauty of the original surface to show as bright as the day your coin left the mint. MS70 was designed to be used on mint state or proof coins but does wonders on AU or slightly used coins, restoring the brilliant surfaces that remain under the tarnish and years of surface contamination that has accumulated on your coin. Surface contamination is PVC, tarnish, fog, oil, dirt, etc. Directions for use: MS70 is NOT a dip and will not work by dipping your coin. Apply MS70 directly to coin or soak a Q-tip in MS70 to gently apply to coin. Allow a few seconds for MS70 to penetrate the contaminants on the coin then gently "massage" the surface of the coin with a Q-tip which has been soaked in MS70. Thoroughly rinse coin in water. Note: When using on copper do a few "test coins" to become familiar with how product works. Keep out of reach of children. Caution: contains strong cleaners First aid data Skin: Contact can cause irritation, flush exposed area with tap water for 15 minutes. If irritation persists, consult a physician. Eyes: Can cause irritation or damage to eye tissue. In the event of eye contact flush exposed area with water for at least 15 minutes and contact a physician immediately. Ingestion: Can cause severe tissue damage to mouth, esophagus, and stomach. Do not induce vomiting. Drink large amounts of milk. Consult physician immediately. Betterbilt Chemicals (909) 392-3111[/QUOTE]
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