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<p>[QUOTE="stldanceartist, post: 1213737, member: 13307"]Oh, and BTW everyone - in case you were wondering, my name is Benjamin. I'm not sure what everyone can see on my profile, but I thought it was a bit strange being called by my username...which isn't any nickname I've used in person. As such, still not used to it...</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, from reading other posts in other forums, it seems that opinions (as usual when it comes to cleaning coins) vary widely on the subject of using MS70 on copper. I can understand the frustration of those who hold very firm opinions on the matter - I would agree that the subject has been beaten to death, in many posts, and many forums. I am an organized person (I think the Navy did that to me!) and this is why I'd love to read a complete survey of techniques, products, and results for each type of coin. I hear this quote many times "if you don't know what you're doing, don't clean coins" but the unfortunate problem is that knowledge doesn't just appear overnight like the Matrix - they can't just plug me in to a computer and teach me Kung-Fu. (Side note: if they fixed the information in his brain to be technically accurate, why would he still refer to it in the US slang term of Kung-Fu?)</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm going to read. I'm going to ask. I'm going to watch what other people do. The problem with this method:</p><p><br /></p><p>*I don't know how accurate the information is, whether the information was obtained in a systematic and unbiased method.</p><p>*Information varies widely from person to person, forum to forum, book to book.</p><p>*"Information" changes due to current opinion of the group (i.e., what is acceptable practice now wasn't acceptable practice 100 years ago.)</p><p>*I am curious how much knowledge is based on fact and how much is based on rumor/opinion/faith/advertising/spin.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>As someone who has been trained in media studies (yes, dance does teach other things outside of being a stripper when you graduate, as most people seem to think) I try to reserve judgement on a product or method until I've verified it with facts or actual experience. I try to get around things like spin and personal taste. This posting has been great for me because it is a barometer of how a certain aspect of the coin collecting community feels about this particular coin (and, it seems, copper coins with blue toning.) I don't have a degree in chemistry (although I was a Navy nuke for a while, which is mostly math, physics, and thermodynamics) and as such the posts on the specific chemical makeup of certain products is fascinating. I've found a few - and I'll always read any past posts you can think of. </p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, no one has posted any of those yet - and that has been a bit frustrating for me. I feel the greatest strength of a forum like this is that the experienced posters have read those articles and can point them out to someone who is looking for the information. I'm really happy that this hasn't turned into an argument - I've done my best to make sure what I say hasn't come across as defensive - but I do think that at this point I don't feel the topic has been definitively answered.</p><p><br /></p><p>Once again, just in case, THANK YOU to everyone who continues to add their two cents to this discussion, and especially to those who have, like me, continued it in a polite and respectful manner.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="stldanceartist, post: 1213737, member: 13307"]Oh, and BTW everyone - in case you were wondering, my name is Benjamin. I'm not sure what everyone can see on my profile, but I thought it was a bit strange being called by my username...which isn't any nickname I've used in person. As such, still not used to it... Also, from reading other posts in other forums, it seems that opinions (as usual when it comes to cleaning coins) vary widely on the subject of using MS70 on copper. I can understand the frustration of those who hold very firm opinions on the matter - I would agree that the subject has been beaten to death, in many posts, and many forums. I am an organized person (I think the Navy did that to me!) and this is why I'd love to read a complete survey of techniques, products, and results for each type of coin. I hear this quote many times "if you don't know what you're doing, don't clean coins" but the unfortunate problem is that knowledge doesn't just appear overnight like the Matrix - they can't just plug me in to a computer and teach me Kung-Fu. (Side note: if they fixed the information in his brain to be technically accurate, why would he still refer to it in the US slang term of Kung-Fu?) I'm going to read. I'm going to ask. I'm going to watch what other people do. The problem with this method: *I don't know how accurate the information is, whether the information was obtained in a systematic and unbiased method. *Information varies widely from person to person, forum to forum, book to book. *"Information" changes due to current opinion of the group (i.e., what is acceptable practice now wasn't acceptable practice 100 years ago.) *I am curious how much knowledge is based on fact and how much is based on rumor/opinion/faith/advertising/spin. As someone who has been trained in media studies (yes, dance does teach other things outside of being a stripper when you graduate, as most people seem to think) I try to reserve judgement on a product or method until I've verified it with facts or actual experience. I try to get around things like spin and personal taste. This posting has been great for me because it is a barometer of how a certain aspect of the coin collecting community feels about this particular coin (and, it seems, copper coins with blue toning.) I don't have a degree in chemistry (although I was a Navy nuke for a while, which is mostly math, physics, and thermodynamics) and as such the posts on the specific chemical makeup of certain products is fascinating. I've found a few - and I'll always read any past posts you can think of. Of course, no one has posted any of those yet - and that has been a bit frustrating for me. I feel the greatest strength of a forum like this is that the experienced posters have read those articles and can point them out to someone who is looking for the information. I'm really happy that this hasn't turned into an argument - I've done my best to make sure what I say hasn't come across as defensive - but I do think that at this point I don't feel the topic has been definitively answered. Once again, just in case, THANK YOU to everyone who continues to add their two cents to this discussion, and especially to those who have, like me, continued it in a polite and respectful manner.[/QUOTE]
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