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Message:: [QUOTE="Tamaracian, post: 2051698, member: 23122"]I didn't say positively that it was not dipped, I said "There is enough patination of red around the Date and the Rim to believe that this coin has not been dipped recently, or at all."  Compared with most of the other 1864s out there--and considering the "freshness of its color", there is a high probability that it was dipped (maybe in the old days using KCN or NaCN, or more recently using an acidic-based cleaner). I used the HA reference because it was the same Date w/L and the same grade, and because it was easy for me to find.  If you want a more representative appearing coin--but not the same date--you can look at PCGScoinfacts Image for the 1906 MS64 RD example. In the end, we can only make comments based upon our knowledgebase, experience, and impression from the photos; it is up to centhoarder to come to his own conclusion based upon our inputs.[/QUOTE]