1863 2 cent piece!?!!

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  1. Lostinspace

    Lostinspace New Member

    I haven't posted in awhile. Got busy with camping season and the like. Spending some time with my coins and decided to look this guy up. Is It possible it's a pattern coin? Or just a plain old fake. The surface is heavily pitted and shows some rust under the loop - which tells me it isn't copper. Thoughts?

    Update: I may have posted prematurely. I didn't think to look at measurements. This thing is waaaaay big. 37-38mm. Looking for my scale to weigh. What are these oversized coins. I have a number of them. A half cent. A Lincoln penny. I have a huge dime. Are they just classroom tools? Or samples? And samples for what?
     

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  3. Kentucky

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  4. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    From Wikipedia
    2 cents
    United States
    Value (0.02 US dollars)
    Mass 6.22 g
    Diameter 23.00 mm
    Edge plain
    Composition
    • 95 % copper
    • 5 % tin and zinc
    Years of minting 1863 (patterns only)
    1864–1873 (regular issues)
    Mint marks None, all struck at Philadelphia Mint
    Obverse
    [​IMG]
    Design Shield, "IN GOD WE TRUST" on banner, date below.
    Designer James Barton Longacre
    Design date 1863
     
  5. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    How long have you had it? It sorta has a Chinese look to it.
     
  6. Lostinspace

    Lostinspace New Member

    It was in my Dad's stuff so, 30+ years? But, it's oversized. So, I know it's not a coin. Still curious what it is and why I have so many. I'll post the other ones to here (unless this is now the wrong forum) after dinner.
     
  7. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat dave700x -1883 O nut

    Yep, looks like a 2 yen to me....
     
  8. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error Specialist "in Training "

    It Possibly could be a COPY of a Pattern Piece ???
     
  9. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    According to Wiki, all 1863 were patterns, with regular issues starting in 1864. See above Post#3
     
  10. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    Weird. The lines in the upper part of the shield look like they were taken from a mold. Just my thought. I wish it was real for your sake.
     
  11. Lostinspace

    Lostinspace New Member

    Were patterns regularly oversized?
     
  12. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Sorry, have no idea. But this is interesting and it is also in the Red Book according to wiki. Maybe something for you to research
    Fantasy pieces include many struck in the 1860s and 1870s as patterns and sold to numismatists for the sole purpose of raising cash for the mint. This practice ended in the 1880s, when the U.S. Mint enforced regulations to prevent the sale of pattern coins.[6]
     
  13. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    What does "oversized" mean? 2 cent pieces are pretty big.
     
  14. Lostinspace

    Lostinspace New Member

    37-38mm almost double the size of a standard 2 cent piece.
     
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    CoinCorgi Derp, derp, derp!

     
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  16. Lostinspace

    Lostinspace New Member

    Here's the half penny. Again, it's huge. 37-38mm. They both weigh about 26g. I can't seem to find the Lincoln cent and the Roosevelt dime...
     

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  17. Mannie gray

    Mannie gray Member

    Crude cast copies.
     
  18. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    oversized = fake or copy
     
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  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    No.

    At 37-38 mm thast would make it the size of a silver dollar. I have no idea who made them, it's only about half the size of the "coaster" replicas. They are 3 inch diameter.
     
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