1863-1C Indian Head Proof?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Shag, Mar 17, 2018.

  1. Shag

    Shag Member

    Is this a proof coin?

    I took pictures using two different colored backgrounds. This coin was difficult to photo.

    Any input would be appreciated.

    1863_1c_o1.jpg 1863_1c_r1.jpg 1863_1c_o2.jpg 1863_1c_r2.jpg
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I think it is a nice looking IHC but I would have a very hard time saying that it is a proof. I'm not seeing it.
     
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  4. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Sorry, but that is not a proof.
     
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  5. Shag

    Shag Member

    What do you look for to determine if it is a proof?
    Thanks very much.

    I submitted an 1859 1C Indian to PCGS and it came back as a proof.

    This coin looks similar and I cant find any info how to determine the difference.
     
  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    To me, the details seem a bit more "mushy" than the proof coins I am seeing.
     
  7. coloradobryan

    coloradobryan Well-Known Member

    Check coinfacts, and look at date placement on the proofs. There were only 460 1863 proof Indian cents, so likely one die was used for the mintage.
     
  8. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    All I am seeing is a slightly misaligned business strike.
     
  9. kanga

    kanga 60 Year Collector

    Look it up in Snow's book.
     
  10. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Not a proof. Proofs would have sharp, squared-off edges.
     
  11. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    True, squared off edges. This one has chamferred edges for circulation.
     
  12. Shag

    Shag Member

    Thank everyone for the comments.
     
  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    Well struck business strike. Looks like it’d benifit from some verdicare though
     
  14. Shag

    Shag Member

    Thank you for the comment. I am learning about coins but would you tell me what verdicare consist of?

    Thank you very much.
     
  15. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    Here is the MSDS for it, but the specific ingredients are not listed. Used as specified, it does not harm the copper based coins, and only reacts with the chemical damage to lessen it. It doesn't claim to remove all corrosion, but it does what it can safely. It has a near neutral pH, so there is no color change of the coin metal as caused be acidic compounds. I have used it from the beginning and have varying degrees of success, but all such coins sent to PCGS and NGC were slabbed clean of any mention. I personally recommend it, and the inventor BadThad is a long time member here. IMO Jim

    https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/old/files/images/Verdi-Care-SDS.pdf
     
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  16. Shag

    Shag Member

    Thank everyone for the comments.
     
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